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Post  balogh Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:51 pm

I was wondering how COX made the tapered cylinder bore so accurately that the engine components remained interchangeable? The non-tapered COX 049 cylinder - while also interchangeable with other non-tapered cylinders - is of less sophistication because here only one diameter had to be kept constant with the drill bit.

In a tapered bore cylinder the top and bottom diameters are different and a deviation of either one of them from the desired value would have produced a faulty cylinder.

Or, maybe, the drill bit diameter was constant and the top of the cylinder was heated to expand while drilled so that when it cooled down the tapered bore was set by itself? Of course the heat conducted by the cylinder wall at the top would sooner or later heat up the bottom part as well.


But remember the same phenomenon occurs in the engine i.e. the top part is hotter than the bottom thus without tapering the top expands to beyond the piston diameter and will bring about a lose fit.
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Post  pkrankow Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:01 pm

I am pretty sure honing was the answer. I am not sure the exact process though.

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Post  roddie Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:38 pm

Is it possible that the cylinder taper is because of the porting? Do tapered cylinders have boost ports? Maybe that's not the question being asked here.. I imagine that Phil is correct about honing being the method of forming the taper. I wouldn't be surprised if Cox had tiny little specially-designed angle-hones for just such a purpose. Tolerances within .0001" which Cox was known for.. would definitely have to apply for tapering a cylinder/piston.

Some interesting reading here.. http://www.flyfreeflight.com/Site/Cyl_Piston_Rework.html
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Post  balogh Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:59 pm

All stamped TD cylinders Nos. 4&5 were tapered
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cox_model_engine
These were thin wall cylinders with stepped outside diameters and 2 bypass ports plus 2X2 booster ports.

Later TD cylinders with no stamping were not tapered to save costs,but had the same porting with thick wall.

Tapering had to do with compression better retained when hot.
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Post  KariFS Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:55 am


This is how I see it: The cylinder bores were probably milled to a certain dimension, at or very close to the minimum dimension of the final product. The taper was then made with a tapered hone and plenty of fluid. Every now and then they would measure a cylinder to make sure that the hone is still in spec. After a while they learned that a single hone can do so-and-so many cylinders before it is rebuilt or replaced, reducing the need of measurements. The cylinder was probably measured with a precision "pin" inserted into the cylinder, if it goes through the cylinder is OK, if it sticks, the cylinder is too tight. This is still a very common way to QC high precision stuff.

Of course, because of the honing tool wear, some cylinders are tighter than others. The ones that were too tight, and were not caught by QC, became warranty cases or "rare clean barely run with box" eBay scores later on Wink The "loose" ones most likely worked ok, maybe with a top speed of a few hundred less than the best ones.

All of the above is of course just another "educated guess" Smile
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Post  balogh Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:03 am

Yes, this is the way I also imagine it must have worked...I value the tapered ones higher than non-tapered based on my experience with a tapered one that can simply not be "killed" no matter how many hours I have run it, the compression just remains as-new. Added, of course, is the beneficial effect of castor the varnish of which is a self-building sealant on any tiny scratches and wear spots inside the cylinder.

When I flip over a hot TD the new, non-tapered shows lower compression , than the tapered when hot, after so many run-hours...Too bad that COX gave up tapering for cost reasons....not that the non-tapered and not good, but the tapered ones are the best.
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