Link to CEF on Airplanes & Rockets

Need to shoot him a note and get him on here...if he has the time! Used to trade E-mails a lot a few years ago, and still have my 'RF Engineers' mug.
To this day, I still ain't got a clue what all the charts and graphs on it mean, but I sure feel smart when I'm drinking coffee from it !

That is a neat site Roddie…. I’ve visited before but just the surface…. A wide variety to keep things interesting and also a little techy stuff to chew on if you like that kind of thing….. Thanks for bringing it back up

Oh yes, I remember that. It's never too late to restore that model. Is the link to CEF still on kirt's website?

I was looking at the plans and I see John D'Ottavio as the designer. I knew John and he was a wonderful person. John was 93 and a few of us went to lunch with him. John told my son that before he passes he was going to fly the pattern one more time. Unfortunately, John never did that. He certainly was one of the greats and many of us miss him. Ken

Ken Cook wrote:I was looking at the plans and I see John D'Ottavio as the designer. I knew John and he was a wonderful person. John was 93 and a few of us went to lunch with him. John told my son that before he passes he was going to fly the pattern one more time. Unfortunately, John never did that.  He certainly was one of the greats and many of us miss him. Ken

Ken, you had some neat relationships with some of the great designers, I envy you.

I've downloaded a number of plans over time from this website that aren't available anywhere else. One is the Grumman F4F full fuselage C/L plane, thought it would be neat to downsize to half-A or A.

I now see the resemblance between this profile and John's JD Falcon. The JD Falcon was a full bodied plane. I could be totally incorrect on this but I think these are based on a Nobler wing. Roddie, if you ever finish that plane don't use that tank. Those profile tanks are horrid. While the concept is correct, they never feed well up top and usually burp or shut off leaving one with the lines raining down on top of them followed by the plane.

 George, I see Bob Hunt usually once or twice a year. He says something when there's a crash which is true but it makes me laugh. He says that if you can pick up the pieces and are able to put it back together, you built it too heavy.

Ken Cook wrote:George, I see Bob Hunt usually once or twice a year. He says something when there's a crash which is true but it makes me laugh. He says that if you can pick up the pieces and are able to put it back together, you built it too heavy.

I think he is not too far off. Key to good stunt flight is building light. A kind, generous individual gave me his personal plans for a super lightweight Ringmaster S-1 that he won contests with. It reminds me along the lines of reverting a C/L structure to that of a rubber powered plane, you might say, "Guillow-izing" it.

I know he is not too far off, because some of the earlier successful C/L designs were indeed lightweight.

But, few fly well enough to retain any airframe a reasonable length of time, hence sturdiness wins over flyability, no doubt.

Most of us including "I" fit the latter category, IMO. Reminds me of an old pilot's saying, "A flight you can walk away from is a good flight."