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Post  wha-tah-hey on Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:17 pm

Once again, I can't come up with the right search term for something likely covered already, so I'll just ask:
When flying a c/l Pee Wee, what about the fuel pick up line?
It's to the bottom on mine and the fuel will be to the outside rear in flight, so it seems no full-tank flying.
If it's an issue at all, 4 obvious approaches:
mount the whole thing to inside
turn the tank assy to inside
shorter fuel line to outboard
(possibly?) convert to stunt config, a la GB tank
Has one been found best or is there a not-so-obvious best?

While some might do it just for the doing (I've been known to do such at times  Very Happy ), is c/l with a Pee Wee even worth the trouble??

Thanks.
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Re: If you fly .020 c/l....

Post  Mark Boesen on Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:45 pm

If it's something you enjoy doing, it's something worth doing...the clear vinyl pickup line can be rotated to the outside.
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Post  Ken Cook on Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:03 pm

I have a few .020 CL models. A Swordsman 18, Larry Scarinzi Queen Bee and a Wee One. They work with the pickup mounted outboard but the run is incredibly short. Drilling a hole in the tank and using a external tank yields far better runs and length of time. Ken
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Post  wha-tah-hey on Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:34 pm

Well, rat's butt! Should've asked yesterday morning!! Doh!
My tank is drilled for a f/f eye dropper tank and I just ordered new tank kits to convert back with JB Welded hole.
Oh, well "Prior planning....." and all.

But thanks much Ken, and what size tank gives 2-3 min run time?
I don't suppose any Pee Wee .020 plane will do more than laps, right?
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Post  Ken Cook on Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:53 pm

My Queen Bee and Wee One are totally maneuverable. They're very fast which makes it a bit harder, but essentially no maneuver is impossible to do. The .020 planes need to be very light. I cover them with Jap tissue one coat of thinned clear dope. I don't go heavy on the dope at that. I usually attach the tissue with thinned white glue.I have used glue stick to install the tissue as well. The Wee One is a full bodied stunter which optimized a TD .010. I just used the Pee Wee. I can't recall my run times, I fly these once or twice a year usually at our fun fly events at our club. Typically, I'm enjoying them so much and watching my son fly them that I never paid much mind to the run time.
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Post  wha-tah-hey on Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:18 pm

Thanks again, Ken - couldn't find anything on the Queen Bee but I found the Wee One plan and it's a cutie.
That should do fine if I decide to try .020 stunt.
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Post  Ken Cook on Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:15 pm

http://www.eicnetwork.com/eic/Plans_files/Gueen%20Bee.pdf         A Larry Scarinzi Bipe Instead of wire struts between the wings, I used 1/32" ply it made assembling easier.
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Post  wha-tah-hey on Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:21 pm

OK, another cutie!
Thanks one more time, Ken!
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1/2 size little satan

Post  706jim on Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:48 am

I designed and built one of these for my Pee Wee 0.020. About 40 years ago. I recall that it flew ok and on 8' lines (maybe 10'?) you don't want too long of an engine run anyway.
Will post a picture if I can find it somewhere.
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Post  wha-tah-hey on Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:55 am

I'd enjoy seeing that, Jim.
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020 powered flying wing

Post  706jim on Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:53 pm

wha-tah-hey wrote:I'd enjoy seeing that, Jim.

I was able to find this abandoned in an old boathouse. Probably somewhere between 45 and 50 years old. Built with Ambroid, silk and dope. And yes, it flew! Maybe repost with an engine on it later. Do you think I included enough ribs?

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Post  wha-tah-hey on Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:10 pm

I think that's just BEAUTIFUL, Jim! Gotta be a treasure.
What? No half ribs?? Very Happy
Amazing that the silk is (mostly) intact! What's the span?
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Post  706jim on Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:36 pm

The plane is 16" span and about 6" chord. Besides the leading and trailing edges, I vaguely recall using a number of 1/16" square balsa strips as "spars"; material likely left over from one of my Guillows kits.
I used to fly my creations in the front yard of my parents house, a tiny lot with a telephone pole I would have to dodge. Hence the short lines I mentioned earlier.

I first saw the Pee Wee engine when it came out in 1958 and just adored it.

Nearly 60 years later I still do!
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Post  wha-tah-hey on Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:04 pm

Looks like at least 3 spars. Thanks for sharing the picture, Jim, it brings back memories of my last c/l flights before a 35+ year hiatus.
I built a 1/2A Lil Satan/Babe Bee in '68, took it to a local flying site, put up several flights (just laps) before crashing.
I removed the engine and gave it a Viking funeral there on the tarmac.
Arguably my most memorable flying experience. Very Happy
I don't have anything from those days - my brother and I gave our trunkful of model airplane stuff to a young fellow in Nashville who grew up to own (among other businesses) a very nice model airplane-only hobby shop (if mostly R/C) there. He's since sold the shop to a decidedly c/l-unfriendly a**hole.
I like to think we planted the seed of his interest.
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Post  getback on Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:18 am

That is pretty cool Jim , and has the right amount of ribs too , i guess all that boat water kept the silk from drying all the way out lol! Seems i have seen one of those before but cant recall who had it ? / was it from kit or did you scale down ? This Site Rocks!
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Post  getback on Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:21 am

Here's a link to a micro ringmaster that was done by one of our members that you might like ... https://www.coxengineforum.com/t9173-micro-ringmaster-plans?highlight=micro+ringmaster
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Post  706jim on Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:00 pm

getback wrote:That is pretty cool Jim , and has the right amount of ribs too , i guess all that boat water kept the silk from drying all the way out lol! Seems i have seen one of those before but cant recall who had it ? / was it from kit or did you scale down ? This Site Rocks!  

Oh, it's my own original design although I had built a Little Satan some years previously. I figured no reason that an 0.020 couldn't power a stunt plane. I think I had the cylinder mounted sidewinder style. I'll bring it home tonight and plunk an engine onto it just so you can see what it looked like in its heyday.
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