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Post  RknRusty on Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:52 am

My new flying site is the home of an RC club that is friendly with Control Liners. Just like JFA, but the Jackson flyers are a shrinking group and we fly on Fort Jackson property, so we're afraid our luxurious field could be repurposed at the whim of some General. My newest flying buddy and his Dad, Mike and Carl Lindler, also long time acquaintances of Wayne, have been inviting us out to fly at their Congaree Flyers club.

It's really nice with a leveled grass field and an excellent black fabric covered RC runway. Google Maps shows it with a torn up looking runway, but I think it was a test or maybe under construction a year or two ago. The trees are a long way from our circles, so even stiff winds blow steady,except for gusts from thermals. So far, when I've been there it resembles the fort in that the wind is about twice what NOAA and weather.com say. They said 6mph today and it was 12-15. The sock stayed full and you'll see the flags in the video.

We can park right where we pit our planes, so all the gear can stay in the car. And on Big Red, my aircraft carrier, if I point it towards the sun's arc, the open tailgate provides great shade for our quad chairs, coolers and fuel cans.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7829377,-81.1155017,84m/data=!3m1!1e3

I never got around to last week's flight report, but I took the Twister out set up the same way as I'd flown it in Huntersville, at a fat 44.1 ounces and an fp.35, a ~2.5 oz muffler and the 3/4 oz. Higley Acorn prop nut. This all put the CG where I wanted it, a 1/4 inch in front of the spar giving snappy turns at the top of the Hourglass and nice square bottoms, and damn good Advanced level takeoffs. Add the sq.8 and the outside loops and squares to that. But at that weight, the 35 was on the edge of underpowered. Slightly richer than perfect and it was unflyable.

So today I was trying  a new engine, an FP.40 with modded ports and I don't know what else. John Tate of the Norfolk Aeromodelers had given it to me when the Oriental was running away. But when it arrived, Bob had already fixed the old FP so the Oriental was running good, and I shelved John's engine for the future Nobler. It cranked on the first flip I've never had an engine that ran quite like this one. It sounds like the high dollar engines on the Expert circle. The FP.40 was a half ounce lighter than the .35 which allows me more trim options without having to worry as much about added weight. So I can use whatever muffler, spinner I want to use.

Today I had a tongue muffler and my heavier Dave Brown aluminum spinner with the lighter engine. It as down to 41.7 ounces and the CG was all the way back to the spar. It was a little floaty taking off and landing, plus I had to work harder to keep the flat laps level in the wind, but I smoothed it out pretty quick. It was really back to snapping corners and locking in, just like I raved about when I was still getting the maiden flights back in July. This engine has a lot more power, and I was still getting it slowed down. I'm using an APC 10.5x4.5. I think it needed a little bit heavier muffler because it was winding up like crazy and I had to struggle to keep the maneuvers open.

Wayne judged one of my flights today that I didn't know about till he handed me the sheet after I landed. I had 9 scores between 29 and 33. I aborted the H8 and one of the inside squares because of the wind-up and general over sensitive turning. On my last flight, the handle somehow got away and it hung on the lanyard doing surprisingly tight loops. I reached out with my left hand and grabbed it and put it back in my right hand. Upside down.
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I still can't believe I couldn't adapt, but it was all happening too fast. It's not as bad as it looks, nothing on the fuselage or empennage is damaged, and most of the inboard wing is okay. So I'll cut it out and rebuild the broken part and figure out how to graft the two pieces together.
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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  JMynes on Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:40 am

You smashed up your Twister????
Oh NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Say it isn't so!

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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  RknRusty on Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:54 am

JMynes wrote:You smashed up your Twister????
Oh NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Say it isn't so!

It's so. I'm seriously disappointed in myself. I can't believe I couldn't adapt to a backward handle quicker than that. Every time I get some time for relaxing fun building, I screw it up.

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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  ian1954 on Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:15 am

I admire your calmness and thoughts on repairing. I would probably trash the whole thing and then regret it!

Practically, i might suggest - if possible - removing the wing from the fuselage and repairing it. It might be easier then to keep the wing squared up.

There are quite a few tips though in these videos.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVQFACQN4Q4hJ_9Dv8PquKNBV6HqNCFw7

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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  KariFS on Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:05 am

Sorry about the mishap Rusty. Fortunately you did have the safety strap, otherwise it would have been a disaster.

I agree with Ian, it's best to remove the wing, maybe even strip it and then do what needs to be done. But that's probably what you were going to do anyway. I wish you success with the repair, I am sure you can do it.
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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  Kim on Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:27 am

Bad to hear about the crack-up, but good to know it's fixable.

Once again enjoyed your report (got to mooch me some WiFi to watch the vid), and really good that you have a another field to use use!

The little airport at Cairo, Illinois has a new manager, and we were concerned about losing our long-time ramp. Luckily, Chuck was thrilled to have us out there...though somewhat disbelieving at seeing a control line model flying on steel cables...and even offered us camping privileges if we wanted to spend the night.

Hope the Twister goes back together quickly!
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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  roddie on Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:59 am

RknRusty wrote:
JMynes wrote:You smashed up your Twister????
Oh NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Say it isn't so!

It's so. I'm seriously disappointed in myself. I can't believe I couldn't adapt to a backward handle quicker than that. Every time I get some time for relaxing fun building, I screw it up.

Hey man, like you said.. the event happened in an instant and while the model was looping. It's tough to gain composure in the midst of surprise/panic.

A replacement wing will build much faster. All your decisions/processes have been made/applied already. Using the alignment-jigs.. fillet-making technique.. all fresh in your mind.
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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  JMynes on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:35 am

RknRusty wrote:
It's so. I'm seriously disappointed in myself. I can't believe I couldn't adapt to a backward handle quicker than that. Every time I get some time for relaxing fun building, I screw it up.

Rusty, at Huntersville I noticed you fly with a backward handle routinely. If ever there was a perfect time to switch to the more conventional thumb side up, that was the time.

I agree with the rest, it would be easier to repair and come up with a straight wing if you remove it from the fuselage. Any other way would be hard to manage with any accuracy.
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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  RknRusty on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:42 am

Quite right. Everyone seems to understand the task at hand. Get that wing out of the fuselage and back on the glass for a rebuild, mostly the outboard side. I've never done anything as a whole like this before, but I've made ribs and glued balsa, so that's what I'm gonna do. My main concern is to not add anymore weight than I have to. Thanks for the encouragement from all, and thanks for the links, Ian. I'll be needing advice. This project will be more work and less pictures and entertainment than my build threads are, but I'll post as I make progress.
Thanks, Guys,
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P.S. I'll be needing to buy 1/2 oz. fiberglass cloth and carbon veil, so if any of y'all have favorite sources, I'd be interested.

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Post  RknRusty on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:47 am

JMynes wrote:...Rusty, at Huntersville I noticed you fly with a backward handle routinely. If ever there was a perfect time to switch to the more conventional thumb side up, that was the time. ...
That's right, Jim, since I was 12 years old. If I wanted to make that change, I think a stack of Mark's 1/2A BTC(Born to crash) planes might be the way to go. Do you think I have any disadvantage flying goofy handed? That's a surfing term from back in the day, as in goofy-footed.
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Post  roddie on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:59 am

A Roddimus suggestion.. How about visually-indexing the handle with a fluorescent sticker on one end? It may never happen to you again.. but..
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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:20 pm

RknRusty wrote:
JMynes wrote:...Rusty, at Huntersville I noticed you fly with a backward handle routinely. If ever there was a perfect time to switch to the more conventional thumb side up, that was the time. ...
That's right, Jim, since I was 12 years old. If I wanted to make that change, I think a stack of Mark's 1/2A BTC(Born to crash) planes might be the way to go. Do you think I have any disadvantage flying goofy handed? That's a surfing term from back in the day, as in goofy-footed.
Rusty

Not that you can't overcome. I think your handle position hurts mostly when it comes to performing a perfect precise pattern. You have come this far, no point in changing. If you were 12 again (and I could time travel) I would smack you in the back of the head and tell you to wise up.

Sorry to hear about the Twister. It would have been worse if you weren't using a thong. Going from normal to 180 out in second would mess anyone up.

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Post  RknRusty on Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:28 pm

Cribbs74 wrote:...Going from normal to 180 out in second would mess anyone up.

Ron
Yes, maybe. Thanks, I tell myself that when I start feeling POd about it. If I can fix this, then I can also fix that Osprey too. Same type damage, just an additional simple broken rear fuse and stab on that old one. Hey, you were there to see it go down.

Wayne did a hell of a good job building the Twister fuselage.
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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:54 pm

If it helps you feel better, My Ringmaster fell off the top shelf in my shop yesterday, I looked it over and all was ok until I saw the needle valve hanging there. It broke the spraybar clean in half. If it was a POS Fox NV no biggie, but it was a $35 late model O-ring Fox NVA and is almost impossible to replace.

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Post  Marleysky on Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:59 pm

[/quote]. If I wanted to make that change, I think a stack of Mark's 1/2A BTC(Born to crash) planes might be the way to go.

Not that you can't overcome. I think your handle position hurts mostly when it comes to performing a perfect precise pattern. You have come this far, no point in changing. If you were 12 again (and I could time travel)  I would smack you in the back of the head and tell you to wise up.

Sorry to hear about the Twister. It would have been worse if you weren't using a thong. Going from normal to 180 out in second would mess anyone up.

Ron[/quote]

1-Yup, a stack of practice planes is the way to get good without smashing a dear plane
2- second the head slap
3- let's start calling them "safety straps' ....the visual of Rusty and a thong... affraid affraid
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Post  Oldenginerod on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:26 pm

Us Aussies wear thongs on our feet. Thumbs Up  Now there's an image that may trouble some affraid

Actually,

That's not to say that we (being downunder) use our feet to fly C/L.
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Re: New place to fly and a couple of flight reports

Post  RknRusty on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:32 pm

1-Yup, a stack of practice planes is the way to get good without smashing a dear plane
2- second the head slap
3- let's start calling them "safety straps' ....the visual of Rusty and a thong... affraid affraid

No no, no thongs. I usually say "Lanyard."
I'm not going to try learning to reverse my handle, it couldn't possibly affect my pattern shapes.

Here is Igor Burger, 2015 World Champion. Does that grip look familiar? It makes no difference which one of those lines is Up or Down. His UP actually is on the thumb side, and mine is not, but the plane doesn't know

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Post  RknRusty on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:32 pm

Oldenginerod wrote:Us Aussies wear thongs on our feet. Thumbs Up  Now there's an image that may trouble some affraid

Actually,

That's not to say that we (being downunder) use our feet to fly C/L.
You Aussies can do whatever you want and still be cool.

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Post  fredvon4 on Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:00 am

Rusty as you know Walt is in the hospital but sounds like he will recover and get back to business

I would ask if he will send you the wing kit.... I bet he will
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Post  getback on Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:07 am

That Sucks Air man !! Hate to here this Rusty knowing all the time and work (fun) you put in to this model and only a few flights ... If it were me i would build another wing assy. and slip it in there and do the adjustments needed to get it back to where you were . I know it always sounds easy on talking about it , i know you will make the right decision and do what you want and that is what makes you you ! Don't let that wing make you think its all that's broken and go over that baby good ! that's one heck of a wack to break the wing like that $ Airplane
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Post  londke3 on Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:57 am

That's a bummer Rusty, sorry, it really sucks. We've all been there though. It's the worst when it's a new plane for sure. I'm sure you'll have it back together soon.
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Post  RknRusty on Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:32 pm

londke3 wrote:That's a bummer Rusty, sorry, it really sucks. We've all been there though.  It's the worst when it's a new plane for sure. I'm sure you'll have it back together soon.
I think so, Mike. I haven't started yet, I'm waiting to talk to Bob Z first, but if I can keep the weight under control I think it'll be as good as before.

I'm going flying at Watt's Thursday, and will probably take the Cardinal. I stil have its dedicated line set. Might take something fun too, like the Yak or the Shoestring.
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Post  crankbndr on Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:54 pm

RknRusty wrote:
Oldenginerod wrote:Us Aussies wear thongs on our feet. Thumbs Up  Now there's an image that may trouble some affraid

Actually,

That's not to say that we (being downunder) use our feet to fly C/L.
You Aussies can do whatever you want and still be cool.

An American thong, I like ours better
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