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Post  SuperDave Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:39 am

PATIENCE and KNOWLEDGE are essential. Most Coxes can be made operable and others can't due to abuse. Parts availabllity is generally excellent from the vendors but broken, abused or missing parts detract from an engine's value sometimes considerably even in the most desireable of specimens that may have only "parts value".

Garage sales, flea markets, estate sales etc. are all good potential sources. In your quest you'll endoubtly encounter your share of crochetted toilet paper covers, used studded snow tires and who knows what else. But "trolling" the sources is part of the fun of finding a Cox"treasure" at a good price.

I'll be out "trolling" over Labor Day weekend at a huge swap meet near me. How about you?

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Post  Admin Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:03 pm

Well I go up the the thrift store every so often to look for them. Other then a bunch of other crap you see and think you have to get, I've found only 1 cox engine. The engine was only a product engine out of a mid '90s plane but I did get it for like $3! I live less then a few miles away from the Minnesota state fairgrounds so I go to a lot of the events that go on there. I go to the hobby shows, antique/flea markets and the MSRA back to the 50s car show (on Sunday, they have a large swap meet near the back of it). I see a ton of Cox engines at the hobby shows but the sellers usually want too much for them. At the antique/flea markets I usually don't see too many but when i do, they are usually buried in boxes of other crap. I did pull out a sad rusted/corroded babe bee from the bottom of a metal washtub. I was only going to get it if I could get it for a dollar or less (it was just about gone, completely ruined) and the seller said "oh wow! that was a engine I had since the early 60s, lets say $15". I did try to explain to him that good nice ones sell for that and this one is well shot and all I got back was a "$10 is the best I can do". So I just walked over and put it back. I do find many other engines like a O&R 23 gas engine and some McCoys. I have also seen some original Thimble Drome champion cars and prop rods but they want like $300+ for things like that. I do find a lot of good things at the back to the 50s car show, just last time I got that Cox Jeep. So it doesn't hurt to look!
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Post  nitroairplane Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:57 pm

tomorow i am going to a massive flea market in Paris i will be looking for all sorts of vintage model engines especcially cox and allouchery
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Post  SuperDave Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:07 pm

Vendors are just trying to unload their stuff often at "cheap" prices. Not so in my experience. Many are "pros" and make their livlihoods thereby travelling from show to show. True, the ocassional "rube" may be found but I would count on it. With some experience it's easy to spot the "sharks" from the "rubes".

Haggling is a practice art for a prudent buyer and items can often be "bundled" to gain favorable purchase prices.

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Post  nitroairplane Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:31 pm

Trust me I am an expert haggler I visited the biggest Market in Africa and bought 29 hats for under 15£ and yeah I am sure I wil spot at least one engine even if it is not a bargain.
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Post  Carl Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:52 pm

I think over the years I have purchansed over 20 cox engines from flea markets they were mostly just babe bees and product engines. they do travel around, i went to a flea market when I was on vacation in missouri and saw the same guy that sells at our flea markets there. the traveling ones do not like to haggle!
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Post  nitroairplane Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:05 pm

Carl wrote:I think over the years I have purchansed over 20 cox engines from flea markets they were mostly just babe bees and product engines. they do travel around, i went to a flea market when I was on vacation in missouri and saw the same guy that sells at our flea markets there. the traveling ones do not like to haggle!
No they don't but do when I show them eBay prices are so low Smile
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Post  Carl Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:48 pm

now see you have a advantage there i dont have one of those smart phones so i cant really prove to them that they are not as much. back when the good cox engines were still being made, i used to find them at swap meets and i would get them for under $8-10 because the engines in the early 80s were around $15 anyway and they couldnt over price because i could just go out and get a new one.
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Post  nitroairplane Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:03 am

at least now we have several cox websites
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Post  SuperDave Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:24 am

If a transaction is to ocurr, the first party to display or mention price gives up the most. But be careful not to insult a knowledgable seller.

It's best to engage the seller in chit/chat before trying to consumate a deal. Doing so allows the buyer to gauge the seller.

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Post  nitroairplane Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:51 pm

SuperDave wrote:If a transaction is to ocurr, the first party to display or mention price gives up the most. But be careful not to insult a knowledgable seller.

It's best to engage the seller in chit/chat before trying to consumate a deal. Doing so allows the buyer to gauge the seller.

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So true but all I found was a built model with an old OS engine but seller wanted 350€ I got her down to 200 but she would go no further so I left it.
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Post  SuperDave Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:45 pm

As you should have. "There are none so blind as those who will not see".

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Post  nitroairplane Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:46 am

SuperDave wrote:As you should have. "There are none so blind as those who will not see".

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Once again so true
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