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Post  rsv1cox Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:34 am

Another "Make an offer" and I just can't resist those if the items look interesting.

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Post  crankbndr Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:51 am

OK, you are not a collector? Denial is not going to help!! Step into the light my friend and be saved!!! lol! I Love This Forum!


PS nice grab bag!!!
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Post  rsv1cox Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:55 am

crankbndr wrote:OK, you are not a collector? Denial is not going to help!! Step into the light my friend and be saved!!! lol! I Love This Forum!


PS nice grab bag!!!

If it walks like a duck................... Smile

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Post  Cribbs74 Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:56 am

Looks like a couple good Enyas and some Enya parts in there.
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Post  rsv1cox Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:51 pm

It was the Golden Bee and CO2 motor that got me. I wonder if those CO cylinders are still avaiable? An ebay search didn't turn up any that didn't have an engine involved.

There is a whole package of rubber band metal twisters (think a straight wire with a loop on the end) that were used on those powered balsa gliders that you could buy for a buck. Remember those? Some were rubber band powered, others just gliders. I went through a bunch when I was a kid and when my kids were growing up. Some collector somewhere must have them stashed away. Maybe they still sell them, but I haven't see one for many years.

Also the card(s) of many OK Cub? glow heads. Lot's to look at. I may share some of it.

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Post  Marleysky Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:58 pm

rsv1cox wrote:It was the Golden Bee and CO2 motor that got me.  I wonder if those CO cylinders are still avaiable?  An ebay search didn't turn up any that didn't have an engine involved.  

 I may share some of it.  

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Bob , check the dimensions of the existing CO2 cartridge, if there is one in the holder.
I've a small stash of  Daisy co2 cartridges and a few from a whip cream dispenser,which are smaller than the daisy. The critical dimension is going to be the OD of the neck that goes up into the holder. I know the whip-cream ones are shorter and the neck is smaller and won't fit my daisy pistol. If you want to try a couple let me know.
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Post  rsv1cox Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:52 am

Marleysky wrote:
rsv1cox wrote:It was the Golden Bee and CO2 motor that got me.  I wonder if those CO cylinders are still avaiable?  An ebay search didn't turn up any that didn't have an engine involved.  

 I may share some of it.  

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Bob , check the dimensions of the existing CO2 cartridge, if there is one in the holder.
I've a small stash of  Daisy co2 cartridges and a few from a whip cream dispenser,which are smaller than the daisy. The critical dimension is going to be the OD of the neck that goes up into the holder. I know the whip-cream ones are shorter and the neck is smaller and won't fit my daisy pistol. If you want to try a couple let me know.

Thanks Rene, I will check and let you know. One thing for sure the engine won't be castor locked. Smile

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Post  getback Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:05 pm

Nice Grab Bag !! you may as well go ahead and run some thoses Bee's Very Happy
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Post  rsv1cox Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:51 pm

getback wrote:Nice Grab Bag !! you may as well go ahead and run some thoses Bee's Very Happy

Yes, those engines are keepers. I used to have golden bees, some NIB, sold them all years ago. I have to replenish my supply. Smile
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Post  rsv1cox Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:39 pm

Got the stuff.  Some junk but the majority I'm quite happy with especially the .29 and .60 sized O&R's, both have incorrect NVA's but the .60 is a sparker and it's complete.  Good news is the O&R fuel tank I got a week ago fits the .29.  All items nicely packed.

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Best part of this is the 1936 Wheat penny.

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Post  Marleysky Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:20 pm

Item in foreground, might be a spring operated piercing tool for C02 powered race cars? Does the item pull apart and the latch hold it open (cocked). Is there a sharp point on
The other end? My quess?
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Post  Oldenginerod Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:21 pm

Bob.  You mentioned in your original post OK Cub glow heads.  Is that them on the red cards?  If so, they look small.  Maybe .024??  I might be interested in a couple if they turn out to be correct and available.

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Post  rsv1cox Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:06 am

Oldenginerod wrote:Bob.  You mentioned in your original post OK Cub glow heads.  Is that them on the red cards?  If so, they look small.  Maybe .024??  I might be interested in a couple if they turn out to be correct and available.

Rod.

Turned to be be glow plugs for that O&R .60 Rod.  If you need a couple I would gladly send them to you.

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What I first thought was a fuel tank for a Cox model is actually a fuel tank for the O&R engines.  Lots of O&R parts in this lot.  The contents appear to be from an old Hobby Shop combined with a sometimes engine collector.

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Post  KariFS Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:52 am

WOW, an old-style glowhead new in package. Not bad! That's the hard-to find smaller-threaded version for the very early engines.
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Post  fredvon4 Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:41 am

Funny thing is (to me)

When I see the various odd lot sales, many times I grin to myself---- expecting Bob to eventually post his most recent find of treasures... I am usually confident if there is some obscure ancient Enya I will see it again!...

I too am very curious about the odd tool

Bob please explore this some more with a series of more photos...

The curious Fred
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Post  roddie Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:17 am

The CO2 motor is cool! Just throwing this out there.. Shocked I wonder if a little torch like this one could be used as a speed-control?

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lol!... (leave it to me right?.. Rolling Eyes )
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Post  rsv1cox Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:00 pm

That little CO2 OK Cub could be the sleeper in all this roddie. My son and I tried to get it to run with an air compressor, wanted to, but not a good seal. Discussed putting it in a Guillows Nieuport 17 that I have.

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I'm still in the woods on this one????????????

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Post  rsv1cox Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:03 pm

fredvon4 wrote:Funny thing is (to me)

When I see the various odd lot sales, many times I grin to myself---- expecting Bob to eventually post his most recent find of treasures...   I am usually confident if there is some obscure ancient Enya I will see it again!...

I too am very curious about the odd tool

Bob please explore this some more with a series of more photos...

The curious Fred

Be careful what you wish for Fred.........Many more pictures coming. Sad

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Post  Marleysky Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:34 pm

Bob, now that you've taken it apart I am certain that it is a spring loaded piercing tool for punching a small hole in the seal of a C02 cylinder. The lock nut makes the striking point adjustable for the depth of the punch which would make a larger hole the further the needle point was injected into the cylinder (seal) neck.
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Post  rsv1cox Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:53 pm

Thanks Rene, sounds plausible.  But wouldn't that just release all the Co2?  I thought there must be some kind of needle inside the housing to pierce the seal when the turn screw is applied.  When I tried to run it with the air compressor I blew that black rubber seal out, went back in fine.

I was glad to find this Austin Craft four way.  I have one just like it, but it's never around where I can find it, makes me resort to adjustables.  Wonder if it's the one that splits up the seam like Ken has found.

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I lightly boiled these Cox .049's then disassembled.  Cleaned in Simple Green and hot water, blew out/oiled and reassembled.  Ready to run then a better cleaning.  Early thin wall with the stunt tank (whoops, just noticed, no stunt tank) and a #2 Golden Bee.  Both with copper stars.  

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Post  Marleysky Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:17 pm

Bob, you have two separate items. One,the motor and attached co2 power cylinder. That cylinder is held in place by the thump screw at the bottom of the holder. When you insert a new sealed co2 cartridge and tighten the thumb screw you pierce the cylinder and allow co2 to flow to the engine , I assume the flyer would just hold the prop stationary like a rubber powered job and flip the prop on release to flight.   The reason you didn't get satisfaction from trying a air compressor to operate the engine is:

CO2 motors are designed to be charged with liquefied CO2 at about 850 - 900 psi. As the liquid CO2 boils (at about minus 80 Deg C) it releases lots of gas, which is what gives these motors relatively long run times.

The other item (item in for Ground) is a piercing tool to puncture the seal on the C02 cylinder for immediate release of a "jet" powered FF model or more common a Co2 powered car.  Either drag or teather.   I found a u tube vide of a CO2 Powered Pinewood derby car...didn't find any references to the tool you have, it maybe too far in the vintage category to turn up in a Google search.  Can you read the name stamped on the barrel?
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Post  rsv1cox Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:40 pm

Thanks for your help Rene.

The bottom line reads SHOOTER,  Top is much smaller.  What I can make out is -- maybe velliend.  Took it apart.

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What I thought may be a part of it turns out to be a nozzle for a propane torch.  About the only none related part in the group..

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