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Post  Tee Bee on Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:22 pm

Coming along nicely!
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:26 pm

rsv1cox wrote:You sure put that Suzuki over the road Tee Bee, I love the Yukon picture and the mudder.  Wish I still had my first Honda S-90 George, then I would probably not be going through this.  Hard part is done though, mostly cleaned up waiting for a wiring harness and reassembly.

Bob, hindsight is always 20-20. There are a lot of things I still wish I had but don't.

rsv1cox wrote:The S-90 is just parts.  The PO had hacked the wiring harness to bits.  I will have to replace the whole thing.  Anyone know what this part is fed by the red, yellow and pink wires?  A first I thought it was the rectifier but it's not.  It's hard mounted to the frame under the seat.



Mark had the right idea, ensure that it runs first then restore.  I took the opposite approach. Bob

Bob, you've got a collectible, and as such, the approach you are doing of being totally committed means you'd see it through the end regardless, no?

Hondas seem to be very consistent on their wiring, or so I've gathered. Here is the wiring diagram for the early CL70 motorcycle / scooter:

George's Google Share Drive: CL70 Wiring Diagram (GIF file)

According to it and my intuition, it is the solid state silicon bridge rectifier. Some time in the late 1960's, they started coming out with silicon diodes to replace the seleniums. It could be that what you see is a newer part in silicon that superseded the older 1950's selenium.

My 1971 CB100 had an orange finned larger selenium bridge rectifier. Back in 1980 as a college student, that rectifier lost a diode in the bridge. Factory part for a college student was too expensive. I did a little research, replaced it with a 50 PIV (peak inverse voltage, i.e. the break down - failure starting max voltage), 25 Amp silicon bridge rectifier from Radio Shack for under $6 or so. I snipped the wiring off the selenium rectifier assembly, soldered the wiring harness to the new silicon rectifier. Drilled out the 2" long mounting stud for the old rectifier. Then put a bolt through the center hole of the new rectifier, and mounted it to that tang under the seat. That tang also acted as a heat sink for the new rectifier.

Radio Shack still has the 50 PIV 25 Amp bridge rectifier for $2.84 if you can still find an open Radio Shack (or order on line):

https://www.radioshack.com/products/50v-bridge-rectifier

Fired up the bike, voilà! Now the bike alternator was charging the battery. The only regulator on these simple 6 volt systems in the internal resistance of the wet cell battery. Talking about the stability of silicon, my CB100 still uses that silicon bridge rectifier 35 years later, good stuff.

Oh, and a WARNING! Never run the bike engine with the battery out of the circuit. Without it, the alternator puts out enough voltage to blow the rectifier assembly, light bulbs, ignition coil and capacitor.

Here's a link to a lot of old Honda wiring diagrams, free download:

http://www.classiccycles.org/1852/597922.html

You might find a wiring diagram close enough to suit. These single cylinder small bikes had a very simple electrical system. Can't say specifically, but you may be able to adapt a new aftermarket retro wiring harness from another model to suit yours. There is a bike shop in Thailand that has an S90 wiring harness for $17.90 + $15.00 shipping to US. I don't vouch for its genuineness, you'll have to look it over and decide.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG269-HONDA-CS90-S90-CL90-MAIN-HARNESS-WIRING-CA-/262290213045



For my CB100, I've ordered a number of parts both locally from where I could, overseas from Hong Kong and Singapore. In the Far East they still keep these old bikes running. For it and my former 1987 Suzuki LS650 Savage, ordered some NOS parts place in Netherlands:

https://www.cmsnl.com/

Got a few odd ball electrical parts from a small motorcycle / scooter parts outlet: dratv.com Beatrice Cycle
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Post  rsv1cox on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:30 am

I think your right George, he wired in a newer type rectifier to replace the original orange finned selenium and used the frame as a heat sync. But he left the old rectifier in place.



I bought the motorcycles from a person that got them from the original owner who is no longer available for guidance.  But, he provided a maintenance manual with the schematic for the S-90 that shows some of the mods that he made to the circuits.  I had found another version with the six wire ignition switch and had both blown up at Staples.  Hopefully they will allow me to reconstruct the harness.



He really massacred that harness.  In addition to the switch connector there is supposed to be a second connector that goes to the stator on the engine that he just cut off and hardwired in.



As mentioned I have a more correct used harness coming.  I have yet to put a meter on the rectifier to determine if it's good or not.  Is it wired in the same as the selenium?  I see on the replacement that he wired one pin directly to ground.

I had ordered a new harness from Singapore with free shipping and it arrived at a record pace considering.  But it's not correct for my S-90.  I thought at worst, I could strip the wires for my system but decided against that opting instead for a close used one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-S90-S90ZK1-Wire-Harness-NOS-S90-Wireharness-32100-105-000-LOOM-CS90-S-90/371506053540?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

This is the harness that I have coming, after viewing many, this is the closest to mine. Some different from the existing "harness."

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Post  GallopingGhostler on Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:11 am

Bob, glad you have the right resources. I wasn't sure if you had a manual or not, let alone a schematic.

E-Bay a few years ago had Chinese Lifan replica drop in engines for your model of bike. They were around $450 to $600 by various sellers, brand new, bolt for bolt compatible. I think they may have come with a 12V system and electronic igniter. One can easily convert this 6V bikes to 12V with the original engine with old 6V alternator. Change out bulbs for 12V, ignition coil too. They have twice the voltage but half the Amperage. Only thing is that the battery starts charging at a higher RPM. Some have rewound the alternator with additional windings to support 12V. (Again, the battery's internal resistance is the voltage regulator.)

Regarding differences in wiring harnesses, these bikes and later variants were most likely manufactured for a long time past US imports. For example, US imported the CB100 from 1970 to 1972, then the CB125S after. (S = single cylinder). CB100 continued to be offered in different countries. I also found that there were variances in imports. Some had both 18 inch front and rear wheel rims. Others had 18 inch front and 17 inch rear. Mine has a 17 inch rear.

I can use most parts from the CB125. I have an NOS aftermarket sissy bar I got from a US E-bay seller for the earlier CB125. (They continued importing the CB125 into the 1980's.) One difference is my front wheel is narrower, uses a 2.50x18 tire. CB125 uses a 2.75x18 tire. I mounted a 2.75x18 tire once on the front, had less than 1/4" clearance under the fender.

You might find a correct headlight and other bulbs from DrATV.
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Post  rsv1cox on Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:27 pm

Thanks for all of your responses to this thread.  I enjoyed every one of them.

Progress.  Mark dropped by today and we got the wheels etc. on.  Now just the seat (I have a new one coming) and hopefully the stater will show up from Indonesia soon and I will be finished.  Can't wait to check it out.  Almost every part has been reconditioned, sandblasted, or painted.  I left the frame in it's original black though, just buffed it out with polishing compound.

I moved the reconstruction into the basement. 70 no humidly degrees against 91 dripping with moisture degrees in the garage.





Got a new set of JIS screwdrivers too.  Made in Japan, highly magnetic, superior quality and amazingly cheaper than the other common JIS drivers found on ebay. Sourced in the USA too.




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Post  Tee Bee on Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:54 pm

I'm heading out on another motorcycle camping adventure tomorrow. Will be riding around the Rocky Mtns and eastern Utah.  Looks to be a hot one!  The V-Strom is all loaded for bear, everything but the kitchen sink.

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Post  GallopingGhostler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:40 pm

V-Strom is a nice bike, Tee Bee, 650 or the 1 liter? I like particularly they put a decent capacity fuel tank on it. Know you'll enjoy the higher elevations this time of year.

Last month I head to a motorcycle rally in Chama NM, near the Colorado border. It was hot most the ride, 8 hours going (left on Friday), 7 hours returning Sunday, 95 to 100 F most the way. Normally when I hit the higher elevations in Las Vega NM onto Santa Fe NM, the temps cool at the higher elevations, but not this time.

Just did a few repairs to the 2001 Kawasaki ZG1200 Voyager XII, fixed a broken lower vent, remounted the cigarette lighter type socket in the fairing, replaced the 4 OEM speakers with 4" Pioneer TS-G1045R coaxials.

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Sound of the new speakers:



Please note, rear speakers have such a small cabinet, the bass doesn't resonate as well as the front. Similar to my SUV, bass that travels further comes from one set whereas the others do the mid and highs better. Rear's got a small 3/16" resonating / draining hole in the bottom. I could probably open it up to say 1/2 inch and see if I get better bass. Anyway, I'm happy to replace these 16 YO speakers for $45 from Amazon. Acoustic suspension is cloth instead of foam rubber. Originals were mono-axial and the acoustic suspension edges were stiffened and cracked from heat, affecting sound quality. Plus the newer speakers have heavier duty rated, plus also water resistant.
Can't leave town without my tunes. lol!
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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:32 pm

rsv1cox wrote:Thanks for all of your responses to this thread.  I enjoyed every one of them.

Progress.  Mark dropped by today and we got the wheels etc. on.  Now just the seat (I have a new one coming) and hopefully the stater will show up from Indonesia soon and I will be finished.  Can't wait to check it out.  Almost every part has been reconditioned, sandblasted, or painted.  I left the frame in it's original black though, just buffed it out with polishing compound.

I moved the reconstruction into the basement. 70 no humidly degrees against 91 dripping with moisture degrees in the garage.  





Got a new set of JIS screwdrivers too.  Made in Japan, highly magnetic, superior quality and amazingly cheaper than the other common JIS drivers found on ebay.  Sourced in the USA too.  





Totally green with envy Bob. Excellent work.
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Post  Tee Bee on Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:07 pm

Nice work GG. It's always satisfying to do your own work on older bikes. My VStrom is a 2012 model 650. It's been all over, including Alaska. I often refer to it as my Magic Carpet since it can take me most anywhere I care to go. That often involves unpaved roads as well as interstates. It's a good all around motorbike.
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:39 am

rsv1cox wrote:Got a new set of JIS screwdrivers too.  Made in Japan, highly magnetic, superior quality and amazingly cheaper than the other common JIS drivers found on ebay.  Sourced in the USA too.  


Thanks, Bob for the tip. Found a set on Amazon for $14 shipping included, a good price, saved it on my list for later ordering. (Need to add something to meet minimum order for free shipping.)

Tee Bee wrote:Nice work GG.  It's always satisfying to do your own work on older bikes.  My VStrom is a 2012 model 650.  It's been all over, including Alaska.  I often refer to it as my Magic Carpet since it can take me most anywhere I care to go.  That often involves unpaved roads as well as interstates.  It's a good all around motorbike.  

Thanks, Tee Bee. Yes, the 650 has always impressed me as a good 2nd bike, because of its generous fuel tank and trails capability. We have a lot of dirt / gravel roads here in New Mexico, Arizona and Pan Handle Texas. It is not unusual to be headed down a state or county road, that suddenly pavement ends and is dirt from that point on.

You're a real motorcyclist to trek to parts beyond 1,000 miles. I used to ride my 1986 Suzuki LS650 Savage to motorcycle rallies 8 hours away. It was funny that people would call me a real motorcyclist for riding "such a tiny thing". I'd remind them that in the 1960's and '70s, a 650 was a big bike. I'd listen to stories of folk riding say a 250 2 stroke or 350 / 400 twin 4 stroke all over their state.

2 months ago, took a ride with the Green Knight's VP from Clovis to Fort Sumner Lake, about 70 minute ride (70 miles on 2 lanes). There's a state road on the map as an alternate route to Santa Rosa. In 6 miles, the road ended and became a rough sandy jeep trail. Both us on heavy touring bikes decided continuing would be a better part of valor another day. Had both us Kawasaki KLR650's or V-Stroms, we could have continued on.
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Post  Tee Bee on Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:17 am

I agree. I have 3 bikes and the VStrom is the go-to machine for all around travel adventures for a fraction of the cost of a BMW GS. My sportbike is fun for shorter rides and quite an adrenaline rush bit it's just too uncomfortable to enjoy on the long haul. My old HD is a fun bike to cruise the coast on but it's all hotrodded and aging so I don't care to get too far from hime base on it any more. But the VStrom...I'm gonna ride it 650 miles to Amarillo today, then CO tomorrow. When I get to Moab, UT, I'm gonna lighten the load and take some rough trails out of the Colorado River canyon up into Canyonlands Nat Park. What a machine!
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Post  getback on Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:25 am

That sounds like a lot of FUN , Tee Bee hope you guys have a safe trip and good time i envy you , use to ride alot of dirt sickle most my early days . Really enjoying the build and looking good Bob ! You are resurrecting another from the dead . George , Nice repair on the vent and speakers look and sound good , wish i could do these things but just aint happening the way my body is at this time , all my good time riding is a memory now but i would not have gave it away for nothing !! Very Happy
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Post  Tee Bee on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:32 am

Thanks, getback. We're 350 miles in and haven't got too hot or wet...yet.
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Post  rsv1cox on Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:23 pm

One step closer, the seat arrived today.



but the stater is still in Indonesia. It spent two weeks in customs there and was just dispatched yesterday. The existing stater is good but the PO hacked the harness so bad I had to replace the whole thing. Sad

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Post  GallopingGhostler on Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:16 pm

Bob, it's really coming along, that new seat covering job really dressed it up. If you don't have much luck on the engine, saw this on Amazon.com, $270 shipping included:

amazon.com: Lifan 1P52FMI-K 124cm3 Engine Complete





I don't know how well it fits your bike frame. A caveat is it's stator and electronic igniter is 12 Volts, which means battery, bulbs and ignition coil would have to be 12 Volts. Rectifier if silicon would probably be OK.

With it, bike would be more of a retro rider than 100% authentic, basically a Hollywood motorcycle. (Looks good enough for filming authenticity.)

Not saying a way to go, may be doable or more trouble than it is worth, just a brain storming thought.

Eric, thanks, I know of late baby boomers who have gravitated toward a 3 wheel motorcycle or motorcycle with sidecar. Don't know if that is suitable for you or not. When I get older and can't ride anymore, I might opt for:

Discover Your Mobility Store: Sportster Scooter



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Post  rsv1cox on Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:38 am

Wow George, I got all excited and was reaching for the Amazon icon when I though I ought to check the dimensions against my engine.  Seems the mounts are a bit off by a few mm's.  Even error compensating for my cheap Harbor Freight calipers I don't think I could make it fit.  Funny, I have a much more expensive Lyman caliper that fell apart within a year, but the HF keeps on keeping on.  

I thought it would fit as the Amazon WS mentions the very similar CT and ST 90's.  I have read when these types of engines have been used in the S90 with success, just small mods to the frame did the trick.  Still, that price with shipping is very attractive.  There is a concern that will do a core swap with your engine for $650 + shipping.  

Bob

PS - BTW that Vessel JIS screwdriver set paid for itself yesterday.  The magnetic tip held a machine screw balanced perfectly vertically  while assembling the retaining brace for the speedometer within the confines of the housing.  Used just the tip sans handle.

Crazy home made by the PO brace.



One more thing............Sad

I have fought metric for years, but reluctantly I'm being dragged in by this MC.  Got one of these down at the mailbox now.  It will help measuring extremes that my calipers will not reach.



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Post  Tee Bee on Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:41 am

That is going to be one nice machine when it's done!
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Post  roddie on Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:46 am

Bob, The bike is looking terrific! The first Honda's I was exposed to as a kid were the SL 70 and CB 350. A kid who lived up the street from me had the SL and my uncle had the CB. Funny thing; my friend's name was "Little Vinny".. and my uncle; "Uncle Vinny".. Smile

I found photos on the web of both bikes in the colors that they had.. (not "their" bikes.. but similar)




Then there was neighbor down the street.. (again.. early 1970's) who was into enduro-riding. He was a little younger than my dad and had a "Greeves". He used to go riding with his friend who had a "CZ". I can't remember the engine-displacements of either.. and have never seen examples of either since.

Here's what I remember those two bikes looking like..




Please excuse my reminiscing. I never owned a motorcycle but have always appreciated them.


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Post  rsv1cox on Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:39 am

Thanks roddie. Add to that "My cousin Vinnie" a favorite movie of mine.

My son's Honda XR75 a Christmas present to him when he was 12. Got him off my S90 which he was using as a trail bike. Sad He just sold a Yamaha trail bike that he was using in the Rockies of Colorado before he moved here. I would have needed a ladder to get up on the thing.

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Post  Ken Cook on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:13 pm

Wow, that XR really turns back time. I had a Elsinore 175 in the 80's which I sold in 1985 for the first Honda Shadow VT1000 which was a awesome bike for the time frame.
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Post  rsv1cox on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:28 pm

Yes, I remember when Elsinores were all the rage. Marks biggest bike was a 750 something or other, Kawasaki I think.

We actually got his gift CA160 running and driving this morning. At 1900 miles on the clock it's a relatively new bike, just had been stored forever. All four gears and everything works. Now to completing the S90.





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Post  roddie on Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:13 pm

Mark looks pretty happy! That'll be a nice little classic-cruiser. Maybe it will help get his mind off those two Mustangs that were wrecked in transit a few years ago. That was an awful loss.
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Post  rsv1cox on Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:38 pm

roddie wrote:Mark looks pretty happy! That'll be a nice little classic-cruiser. Maybe it will help get his mind off those two Mustangs that were wrecked in transit a few years ago. That was an awful loss.

Thanks for remembering roddie.  That was quite a loss.

But it didn't take them long to replace them.  Lisa's 2004 50th anniversary, and Marks 1969 Mach 1, very similar to the one his Mom drove.



But I suspect that they would swap them in a New York minute for the originals.



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Post  crankbndr on Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:51 am

I no longer own or ride motors, too crazy down here. Tee Bees ride reminded me of one I took in early 80s. I rode with my Dad from Phoenix to Denver, took about a week.
We had two Honda 750s one a CB and the other a new model Magna. It was my first ride on a water cooled shaft drive bike, smooth and powerful. Some stops along the way, Grand Canyon,
Zion Park, Monument Vally, Black Canyon of the Gunnison and Aspen. I grew up riding the bikes you are restoring and Yamaha also, thanks for the flashbacks!
From Saguaro cactus to snow, check out the helmet!! HaHa







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Post  GallopingGhostler on Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:06 am

Wow, you were blessed as a young man to have a Dad who rode and rode along with you, crankbndr. From the hot low desert to the Rocky Mountain high cold, what a contrast. Both those bikes are classics. IMO, the Magma all these years still hasn't lost its charm.

Took my 2001 Kawasaki Voyager tourer on a short jaunt out of town to test my new audio speakers and re-adjusted cruise control. Cruise now locks on and right away maintains, just like a car cruise. Speakers are clear, more volume is louder but clearer. I can now use both front and back speakers at the same time, plus bass comes in solid. The stock Clarion radio gets louder at higher speeds.
Folk in town were probably wondering about this nut listening to loud classic rock and roll at stops. lol!
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