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Post  Kim on Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:07 am

Used a rainy afternoon to start on my Firebrand combat wing.  Another "Flashback Model", the original was built and flown by my older brother in 1969 or so.  It's fat wing allowed it to make slow, graceful loops and wingovers on the muffled Babe Bee he had bolted to it's nose.

I got it, and it's sibling kit "Firebird", on a lucky Ebay score.  It'll probably fly behind several different engines, but it's first will be another muffled Bee as I try to recreate the flights of my brother's plane.

The captions will seem "overly basic" for this forum, but I use the photos in Facebook posts, and write them to hopefully be understood by outsiders who might be interested in our hobby.

So, it's "Back to the 60's"...again.
















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Post  fredvon4 on Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:48 pm

Faster to build than a Big Otto IMO

Looks like real fun project and the real neat thing is most any combat wing once CG is correct will fly just fine with easy Cox Power up to and including hyper RPM Cyclon (un obtanium these days)

Radial mount TeeDee...or Norvel or Fora....

Jim Walker stuff I never had so I just copied the basic plane using ACE constant chord wing sets


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Re: A Rainy Day Project on the Hill.

Post  Kim on Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:44 pm

Yeah, they're fairly similar.  The Firebrand has a thicker wing, which has me contemplating building another Big Otto with that airfoil.

With my current "Slow Ride Fever", think maybe Big Otto is gonna get it's Black Widow replaced by a Golden Bee.









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Re: A Rainy Day Project on the Hill.

Post  MauricioB on Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:49 pm

Hi Kim ... it's good to see the new project underway! ... I had never seen a wing composed in that way in two halves ... there is always something that surprises in this hobby ... that's great.
I will be attentive to the progress and the flight ... so from now I appreciate that you upload your moments here with the new model.
Here at home ... I'm about to paint my house, so I'm grouping everything in one place and therefore I can not work in the workshop, I think it will be two months of painting and then I will return to normal ... while I will enjoy of some flights and to see your experiences here in the forum.
A big hug friend! Thumbs Up
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Post  Kim on Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:19 am

Thank you for your post Mauricio!

Yes, I don't know how many other models of the time used this type of construction for foam wing cores. The kit is from the late 1960's.

I intend to finish the final glueing of parts today and start painting the balsa parts. Probably going to trim it in red and white.

Thanks again, and good luck with your house-painting project !!!
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Post  Ken Cook on Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:31 am

It would probably be safe to say that Riley Wooten started the foam craze. He designed the foam winged Vampire and it was put into production around the mid sixties. I believe similar type construction. Not a real good performer and the ones I have seen fly generally fold up like a book closing. Riley designed and produced many worthy designs. Most recall the Voodoo. That probably carries merit more than any other design he made.
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Post  getback on Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:06 am

Coming together Nicely , i like the way the wing is performed for construction , easy enough build ! I have never done foam or a Big Otto but have a pair of Combat Kittens Very Happy Looking good and i will bee watching for the flight report . This Site Rocks!
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Post  Kim on Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:06 pm

Ken Cook wrote:            It would probably be safe to say that Riley Wooten started the foam craze. He designed the foam winged Vampire and it was put into production around the mid sixties. I believe similar type construction. Not a real good performer and the ones I have seen fly generally fold up like a book closing. Riley designed and produced many worthy designs. Most recall the Voodoo. That probably carries merit more than any other design he made.

I don't recall any of us flying foam control liners (though it may have happened) larger than the 1/2A's...which we seemed to go through like potato chips.

I'm pretty sure that Mr. Wooten also marketed the series of 1/2A sheet-wing combat wings sold by America's Hobby Center in the mid-late 60's: Lil' Bat', Lil' Bomb, and another I can't remember. They don't look like much now, but I was pretty proud whenever I got one finished, and used the Lil' Bomb to teach myself to fly inverted with risking one of my 'fancier models'.

Good times back in the day.
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Post  Kim on Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:18 pm

getback wrote:Coming together Nicely , i like the way the wing is performed for construction , easy enough build !  I have never done foam or a Big Otto but have a pair of Combat Kittens Very Happy Looking good and i will bee watching for the flight report .  This Site Rocks!

Love Combat Kittens!!

Working on the balsa parts this morning.  Using Brodak clear dope to bond some light weight silkspan to the fins, elevator and pod.  This is great 'flashback work' for me as the only difference from 1969 is that I'm using Brodak dope instead of Aerogloss.  Fills the shop with that great 'model airplane smell' that used to get me evicted to the front porch by Mom...and later on, a couple wives!



Got a good Saturday afternoon going...hope the same for everybody else.

Rocky Mountain High Kim


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Re: A Rainy Day Project on the Hill.

Post  Ken Cook on Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:50 pm

I was doing some doping as well. My Sneeker was in need of a new tank. What a major pain in the !@##. Cut out the sheeting, break the tank loose which rips the sheeting on the top which I didn't want to disturb. To get the tank out meant breaking the spars off of the ribs which really just broke the ribs in half. Make a new tank and reassemble. Now I'm inside the wing with syringes injecting yellow and white glue to glue the ribs back together. Got the sheeting back in place and now doping. I was lucky enough to save the silk off of the sheeting. I just doped it back in place. Not exactly picture perfect, you'll never see at 100 mph.


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Re: A Rainy Day Project on the Hill.

Post  Kim on Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:00 pm

I often seem to get myself in a position with shattered bits of balsa and ply, scattered around a project that I'm trying to save, and wondering to myself, "So this is FUN?"

Must be...I keep doing it....
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Post  rsv1cox on Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:47 pm

Kim wrote:I often seem to get myself in a position with shattered bits of balsa and ply, scattered around a project that I'm trying to save, and wondering to myself, "So this is FUN?"

Must be...I keep doing it....

Thought exactly the same thing today Kim as I was cleaning up a very large puddle of anti freeze under my MG.

Tightening the lower radiator hose clamp to resolve a very small A/F drip resulted in a very large drip. No drain spigot dictated removing the lower hose connection dumping the contents into a pan and onto the floor about 50/50 floor/pan. As I was sponging up the mess I also thought to myself - Having fun yet? Sad

Oh well, I now have contaminated anti freeze for future model engine crock pot boils and a clean garage floor. Smile

Enjoying your thread.

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Post  MauricioB on Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:02 pm

Kim wrote:...and later on, a couple wives!

I Love This Forum! Very Happy Thumbs Up

mmm Huh... .... possibly "almost" a universal law! Beer Cheers cheers
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Re: A Rainy Day Project on the Hill.

Post  Kim on Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:47 pm

rsv1cox wrote:
Kim wrote:I often seem to get myself in a position with shattered bits of balsa and ply, scattered around a project that I'm trying to save, and wondering to myself, "So this is FUN?"

Must be...I keep doing it....

Oh well, I now have contaminated anti freeze for future model engine crock pot boils and a clean garage floor.  Smile


Enjoying your thread.

Bob

And THAT quote, sir, is an example of the philosophy we must cling to (or at least I must) as the thin line between messing with all this craziness and taking up stamp collecting! Of course, I don't know, maybe stamp collecting can have it's edgy moments!!!
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Post  Kim on Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:57 pm

MauricioB wrote:
Kim wrote:...and later on, a couple wives!

I Love This Forum! Very Happy Thumbs Up

mmm Huh...  .... possibly "almost" a universal law! Beer Cheers cheers

Possibly True!!!

This December, I shall be celebrating 2 Decades of single life happiness since my second divorce in 1998 !!!

Life Rolls On!
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Post  Kim on Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:20 pm

And so, the project has entered "The Tedious Zone".  The engine pod and tail feathers have been covered with light silkspan, bonded to the balsa with thinned clear dope, with successive coats and light sanding, hopefully bringing out some gloss.

Luckily, I was actually in the mood for this stuff today, alternating new clear coats with pushing a lawn mower around the yard.

Once I'm happy with the shine, I'll paint the parts white for a base, and figure some red trim to finish up.









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Post  roddie on Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Hey Kim! Looking good brother! I give you a LOT of credit man. I've been having a bit of trouble getting my model-building into gear lately dude. I really like the "Firebrand".. It reminds me of my "Phred's Phault" model.

Now that you're retired... you'd think that there'd be tons of time to devote to your modeling activities.. but I'm thinking that your spare time might be even more precious than it was before? I hope to be able to allocate enough time to this hobby.. when that time comes for me.
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Re: A Rainy Day Project on the Hill.

Post  Kim on Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:38 pm

Hey Roddie!

Time and activity-wise, I'm my own worst enemy.  I will often hear my mouth volunteering me for all kinds of things...the latest being my hometown's Historical Society's restoration of a Putt-Putt (also know as a "Speeder") that's been slowly rusting away since the 1980's.

I've always had a secret love of these little bug-like work cars.  

The railroad came right through the middle of Olmsted, and was a constant part of our town's identity.  The locomotives got all the glory, but I always adored the Putt-Putts.  Their crews would often park them and go into the general store where my Aunt Bert sold them bread and lunch meat for their lunch, while I inspected the Putt-Putt and the little trailer it pulled.

It's all long-gone now, save for a couple sections of track: one for a restored caboose, with the rusted Putt-Putt parked on the other.

I belong to an organization called the North American Rail Car Operators Association, and am probably gonna need some help from those guys as we try to 'pretty-up' this little derelict.  I'm a bit wary about the Historical Society as they have a reputation for exploding over petty stuff, like what kind of flowers to plant around the depot, but they've got a new guy who's almost rabid over saving the Putt-Putt...so we'll see.







AND...my big mouth ALSO got involved into changing this:



into this (paint-wise):



but that's another bag of stuff...

The reference that I think of, but seldom follow from the Messiah's Handbook in Richard Bach's "Illusions":
"The Best Way to Avoid Commitments is to Say, 'I've Got Commitments'".  

Good luck with that !!!


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Post  66 Malibu on Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:52 pm

You got to face it Man....You're living the dream !!!!!
Don't stop doing the building and flying videos or your pictorial travel logs !!!!!!
They are great fun at this end !!!
Keep up the good work !!!!
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Post  rsv1cox on Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:39 am


I like the Putt-putt. I remember them running along the tracks in my home town. Used to put a penny on the tracks and squish it like a pancake.

Bob


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Post  fredvon4 on Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:45 pm

Kim do you have a stash of Phil Cartier's SLC?

Simple Cretex craft colors on the foam and a quick cover of SLC is light and very fuel proof...IMO

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Olmstead Speeder interest

Post  roddie on Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:10 pm

I never knew of these little rail vehicles... Huh... but I've always had a fascination for anything "railroad".. full-scale or model.

Some Google images I found..




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Post  Kim on Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:05 am

fredvon4 wrote:Kim do you have a stash of Phil Cartier's SLC?

Simple Cretex craft colors on the foam and a quick cover of SLC is light and very fuel proof...IMO


Hey Fred,
I somehow never heard of that covering. I once tried low-temp 'Econokote' on an Ace wing, but not with good results.
Appreciate the note, and will be watching for some to experiment with.
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Post  Kim on Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 am

roddie wrote:I never knew of these little rail vehicles... Huh... but I've always had a fascination for anything "railroad".. full-scale or model.

Some Google images I found..





Yeah, they're wonderful little machines, and the group has organized outings, sometimes on current-use tracks.  



A license is required to operate them, and for a while, I seriously considered buying a Putt-Putt and joining the fun.  The toys I already own tend to keep me running though, so for now, it's on "Deep Back Burner".

The railroad guys refer to them as "Speeders" not because they're particularly fast, but because they're a whole lot faster than the old manual hand-cars that they replaced.



Last year, though, I did connect with some guys for a run on the local closed track out of Jackson, Missouri:










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Post  Kim on Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:51 am

And...in other news:

Just got the engine pod to finish, then everything gets epoxied to the wing and she's ready to go.























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