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Post  rsv1cox on Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:01 pm

While watching the unfolding event of the person that had stolen a Bombardier turboprop aircraft I could not help but admire the maneuvers that this untrained fellow put that high-winged passenger plane through.  Not enough that he started it and took off.  

You can find all kinds of stuff on-line regarding this aircraft, but to actually put those instructions to use in the air is something else.  Many here fly for fun.  I have many hours in various flight simulators but doubt if I would have the skill to pull that one off in the air.  

To bad that it ended as it did.
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Post  crankbndr on Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:19 pm

That is the most forgiving aircraft ever built or he had some kind of flying experience somewhere.
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Post  NEW222 on Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:51 pm

Wow! Cant think of much else after watching the video.
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:16 pm

rsv1cox wrote:To bad that it ended as it did.
I think he forgot that take offs are optional, landings are mandatory. Shocked Paranoid affraid Damn!
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Post  RknRusty on Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:07 am

I was led to believe there was video with lengthy comms between the renegade pilot and the chase planes. But I searched and found nothing but short clips from a few seconds in length to two minutes or so. Is there any video in the public domain with more than just quick exerpts?
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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:21 am

It was covered extensively on cable and broadcast news programs, I'm a news junkie so I saw them all. They were mostly cell phone videos of short duration. The actual flight lasted about 75 minutes. That's 75 minutes that he was doing barrel rolls, inside loops, roller coaster ups and downs all in a passenger aircraft. I bet the Bombardier folks did some post flight analysis. The most impressive was the loop ending up maybe 100 feet above the water and the right roll pull-out.

Speculation that he might crash it into the Seattle Needle. Comforting to see that F-18? there to ensure it didn't happen.

Scary and disturbing for many reasons.

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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:43 am

Military tends to consider all radio communications with the rogue pilot as internal and not immediately subject to FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) by their pilots. Unless one had an aviation radio and was recording the transmission, we'll only be able to know after higher level review to determine what is releasable, since the act is now under investigation. What I did hear is that after their observation and communication realized that this wasn't a terrorist plot. There was a possibility of the pilot finally surrendering to air traffic controllers to be brought back in for a safe landing. He never did.

Once they retrieve the flight data recorder and analyze it, it would not surprise me that he finally ran out of fuel in at least one engine. It takes considerable skill to fly with one engine out. Since the plane was to be taken out of service for maintenance, I imagine it wasn't fully fueled up. He was pushing his luck when he took it for a joy ride.
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Post  JPvelo on Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:06 pm

Almost makes me want to build a 1/2a scale version that could loop and wingiver as part official maneuvers.
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:00 pm

JPvelo wrote:Almost makes me want to build a 1/2a scale version that could loop and wingover as part official maneuvers.
And, it wouldn't be hard to do the final crash landing, too. tongue Shocked Doh! What? Devil Popcorn lol!
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Post  fredvon4 on Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:56 pm

Used to be a NEWS agnostic for mental health reasons-- but now I channel surf way too many hours each day...this story fascinated me because two decades ago a SFC in Korea stole a CH 47 and made it do things a Chinook can NOT do

Seemed clear to me he was on a suicide mission
Not exactly sure the F-15 would do in that super dense populated area he was flying

For example a direct hit to the space needle would only kill about 200...but a missile strike just before would likely kill 4 or 5 hundred in the impact area...how does and air wing commander decide...??

Yes a lot of over water flight paths but you really need to know the ON land population densities in the Greater Tide Water area from Olympia to Seattle

I am kind of impressed he chose a rather sparsely populated island to crash on to...IMO this disturbed guy decided to cash out BUT did NOT want to hurt others...just a gut thought

Is it just me, or are more and more citizens deciding to OPT out of life....some typical and some with a flair....

I wonder how much or always LIFE SUCKs media has to do with these trends

Especially right now it is astounding to me...so many GOODd news stories to tell...Hiring, better wages, lower unemployment, so many 401s well over 1 million in the bank...every retailer showing highest economic activity in last 23 years,,,,brick n motor and Amazon/WalMart on line sales....[bleep] guys nobody even blinks an eye at a $1000 Apple cell phone or in my case a $899 Samsung Galaxy S-8+

YET if you watch most of the news venues you would think the world as we know it is ending tomorrow

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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:18 pm

I listened to some of the compressed (dead time audio edited out) of his entire flight along with the flight path etched on an overlay of the Seattle area. Some with the ATC guy, some with the chase pilot. Took about 20 minutes.

The guy was polite, no profanity, didn't want to hurt anyone, apologized to his friends and coworkers and was sorry if he spoiled the ATC guys day. Human, he chuckled that he threw up in the cockpit and wondered if Horizon would hire him as a pilot if he landed safely, but quickly discounted that. "A lifetime sentence maybe."

He knew the outcome and had no doubt planned it. Seems funny for a rational fellow to pull the plug that way. Wish he had talked himself out of it.

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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:32 pm

Problem is there are consequences when one knowingly is in the wrong. I don't know if he would have a life sentence, but this is not simply a car jacking. But it would have been better for him to have at least turned himself in. There was a possibility that if cooperated and he landed successfully, would have spared the company the loss of a plane and his life along with it.

There may have been other things going on in his life that he may have been running away from. We'll know more over time.
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