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Post  balogh on Sat 8 Sep 2018 - 20:13

I am on a 2-week vacation with my wife this time driving around in beautiful California, and thought that while at Yosemite National park, I will try to introduce 2 native California Giants to each other:

1. The California Sequoia Giant Redwood

2. The COX TD 010 that I happen to (? Very Happy )  have with me on the trip.


Both are Giants in their own ways and I am proud that had it not been for me, these  genuine Californian celebrities would never have met Very Happy





PS: on my itinerary that started in San Francisco Tuesday this week, my traveling TD010 will also see Monterey, the Big Sur, Santa Barbara, San Diego, and while in Santa Monica, we will pass by Santa Ana later next week too and will make sure the TD010 will see again its birthplace where it was born a good 40+ years ago...then we return home to Budapest/Hungary.
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Post  Marleysky on Sat 8 Sep 2018 - 21:42

I do believe your TD-10 has traveled more miles than the CEF traveling engine! Nice pictures of the redwoods. Sounds like you're going to have a great vacation. Small Cox Logo
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Post  balogh on Sat 8 Sep 2018 - 21:55

Yes Markeysky if we add all miles this critter has travelled since its birth in Santa Ana through a US ebayer to my place in Hungary plus the trips I have already dragged it with me to various destinations on my business trips in Europe, Middle East, China, now back to the US, it will outdo the lifetime mileage a commercial pilot typically covers during his carrier.. Very Happy
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Post  FlipStart on Sat 8 Sep 2018 - 22:05

Looks like your off to a fun vacation. I bet that "is" the first time those two California giants have met.
I camped with the family in Richardson Grove some years back and saw the coastal redwoods for the first time.
I hope your going to see the Monterey Bay Aquarium while your there; it's well worth it.

Thanks for the pictures with the tiny Tee Dee. Thumbs Up

I have a Giant Sequoia pine cone around here somewhere.

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Post  balogh on Sat 8 Sep 2018 - 22:14

Thanks Jeff. Back in 2013 when our kids joined us on a similar trip to Monterey we visited that lovely Acquarium there.

When visiting the other famous California redwood park Muir Woods North of San Francisco bay this week I could not resist buying a small redwood seedling sold there..I am not sure I will live till this lil thing reaches the 300+ feet size of trees we saw at Muir Woods and Yosemite..



Providing it survives our transatlantic flight home and the transplantation it will grow 1 foot each year lol!
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Post  1/2A Nut on Sat 8 Sep 2018 - 23:10

Enjoyed your pictures thank you for sharing. Thumbs Up
If that little sprout grows 1ft. per yr. imagine the root system 100 yrs. from now sunny

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Post  balogh on Sat 8 Sep 2018 - 23:22

1/2A Nut wrote:Enjoyed your pictures thank you for sharing. Thumbs Up
If that little sprout grows 1ft. per yr. imagine the root system 100 yrs. from now sunny

Beer Cheers

Thanks Brad!! And yes I am looking forward to our neighbor sueing me for the occuppation and abuse by the roots of his land next door.. Very Happy
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Post  1/2A Nut on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 0:19

Haha yesss mighty thirsty roots!
Read this online about them:

"The sequoias have a matting, shallow, and wide spreading root system. A mature sequoia's roots can
occupy over 1 acre of earth and contain over 90,000 cubic feet of soil. That mass of matted roots and
soil has to maintain the equilibrium of a tree that is nearly 300 feet tall and weighs nearly 2 million pounds".

You can use root barriers inset 3 to 4ft. into the ground to promote the root system to migrate
deeper. I see prefab concrete walls used in structural plans all the time at work. Rule of thumb for
moderate size trees is 20ft. from any bldg. They demand quite a bit of water and can degradate the
select fill compacted for building foundations. Slab on grade projects will have grade beams typically
24" to 48" depth, the concrete beams act like a moisture loss barrier. Big roots can go under the slab
suck up all the water and cause shrinkage of the select non expansive compacted material. At work we
always recommend foundation stabilization with a max 1"PVR (potential vertical rise) to mitigate slab
movement during the wet / dry seasons. Keeps the slab from cracking, damaging walls etc. The roots
from the Sequoia tree will rip right though 12" wide grade beams if placed too close to a foundation.  Shocked




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Post  Kim on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 4:37

Agree with Markeysky!!!! THAT'S a Traveling Engine !!!!
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Post  modelbuilder49 on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 13:56

Balogh, I am so very happy for you and truly admire you and your travels  Very Happy .  Heck, I live here in the US and it has been a consistent dream/hope that I will get to see them, the Cali/Pacific coastline and the Grand Tetons before before I pass on Huh... .  I gave up on the childhood dream of traveling through Europe Doh! .  Seems like every year .... "life" happens .... and it just seems to suck up the funds Sad .  Again, I am so happy for you and yours. I wish you many safe and rewarding journeys Smile !!


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Post  fredvon4 on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 13:57

Balogh

True story

as a soldier on Fort Lewis WA 1973~1975 I married a gal who's family was deeply in involved with Simpson Lumber company

I had occasionally worked for the "family" during some of my Army leave time...made real good money for the few weeks I was away from the daily army grind....driving skid or setting chokers

I got sent to Germany for 2 years but ultimately returned to Forth Lewis 1977

At the time Cutting OLD growth Giant Sequious or Red Wood was BY exception and permit only....

The country of Japan wanted to build some new GIANT Religious temple and petitioned California, Oregon , and Washington for the Old growth Trees to support their desire.

Washington state succumbed to the insane cash offer and agreed to set the permit.... Olympia based Simpson Lumber Company got the project to harvest 25 trees in the Olympic national Forest.... Giant Sequoias 375 foot tall, Topped, fell, drag to port full length for the Temple project

Buck sergeant (E-5) von Gortler was paid $35 per hour on this project....I made more in that 2 weeks than my entire Army pay all year long

True story #2

I bought 5 acres of land south of Olympia WA to put a mobile home on.... I had to get a permit to have 5 or 6 BIG pines cut out to make the space for the Home pad, electric, and septic....No big deal just something a property owner has to do to use THEIR land...Most of the timber I needed removed had some value.... The company I contracted to remove the trees ultimately decided to buy 8 of my trees within the state permit I had to develop my acreages..... A large portion of my $16,000 Fleet wood mobile home (1975) mortgage was paid for from the sale of the trees and board feets of the final yield

True story #3

MY first ever Chain saw was a 1974 McCullough 101 B.....65" bar length --17 Hp monster---that spun up to 15,000+ RPM....43 lbs of monster wood eater

Today I own a modest Stihl 261 and is all I need in 12" to 18" Texas live Oak here in Central Texas

For the record....a photo from Balogh does indeed show one BIG assed Tree....I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN BIGGER!
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Post  rsv1cox on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 14:31

Great story's Andras and Fred.

Back in 1953 we traveled to Yellowstone and Yosemite on our way to LA and stopped by to see the giants. Impressive. I understand after a year or two of restrictions they are now open again with better access and better protections for the trees themselves.

I love trees and live in the middle of a Forrest, yet I was forced into removing this 350 year old oak from my property as it was rotted to the core and leaning towards our house. A pip squeak when compared to the Sequoias.




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Post  fredvon4 on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 15:16

Yes sir there is a lot of relative rational evaluation needed to determine risk and analysis..... in fact about three or four days from now there will be great many east coast citizen land owners who had wished they had some big trees cut away from their personal property as the next Hurricane descends on the coast line as a cat 3 or 4 ..........

Hell bob...even as far inland as your are-- could pose a serious high wind and heavy rain problem

Decades ago I moved my Test team out of Norfolk VA to Mananas VA to evade a bad storm...4 days later we went back to Norfolk to find it still a grand mess, no open restaurants, If I recall correctly my 23 person team went almost 4 days with out a properly cooked meal.....

Lots of folks NEVER consider during a local disaster how many NON LOCALS are impacted.....

I had a 30 person test team in Biloxi is a city in Harrison County, Mississippi, United States just before Katrina.... Entire region WIPED out...no shelter, no food, no water, NO basic life sustaining resources.....all of us loaded out in the rental cars and headed due west.... New Orleans had more resources and FEMA SUPPORT...but not much

What I am saying here is there are hundreds of NON local folks visiting family and as many NON local folks just doing Business....that are caught in the position of TRYING to Survive, eat, and exist

Twice in my career I had to DECIDE to move my team member out of the path of destruction..... BOTH times I was chastised for the high expense of MY decision...Tough [bleep]....I actually told my superiors to charge the extreme cost to my personal USAA account.....Of course they knew that would never happen cuz of the bad press....

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Post  crankbndr on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 15:38

I hate trees!!!! As a victim of many storms in the last four decades I know they will fall on your house. Had 6 go down in last years storm. That one out there now is scary.
I'm a carpenter, the only good tree is the one under my saw. When I first started in 60s you could find redwood in the lumber yards, it was light, bug and rot resistant.
Redwood now is like gold and most of the lumber yards are gone too.
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Post  balogh on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 17:26

modelbuilder49 wrote:Balogh, I am so very happy for you and truly admire you and your travels  Very Happy .  Heck, I live here in the US and it has been a consistent dream/hope that I will get to see them, the Cali/Pacific coastline and the Grand Tetons before before I pass on Huh... .  I gave up on the childhood dream of traveling through Europe Doh! .  Seems like every year .... "life" happens .... and it just seems to suck up the funds Sad .  Again, I am so happy for you and yours.  I wish you many safe and rewarding journeys Smile !!

Thanks modelbuilder49 for the nice wishes. Actually the other favorit US summer destination we visit as often as we can afford is Florida where you live!!! In the past I traveled on business more frequently and collected milage points that paid our intercontinental airline tickets to the US and other distant locations at least every 2nd year till recently. For some time in the future it does not seem to continue so this year we really tried to jam as much active program into our itinerary as possible. So far so good I am just in a Bubba Gump restaurant in Monterrey over some crispy shrimp but we continue our trek way down to deeper in Southern California tomorrow.
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Post  balogh on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 20:05

fredvon4 wrote:Balogh

True story....
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Fred,

thank you for the indeed interesting stories.

In my business (various cooling systems built for power stations) I often met wet cooling tower structures made of California Fir, a naturally impregnated pine species that endures and withstands the decaying effects of chemical-laden cooling water for decades.

Because of environmental protection concerns Red Fir is no longer in use in the powerplant industry, and I also experienced in Muir Woods and Yosemite both the National Parks have large funds available for the conservation of precious trees the giant sequoias included. I can confirm the parks we just visited are very well kempt and visitors really respect the rules on the premises i.e. no trespassing, no littering, no removal of pine cones etc.

In the shoes of US authorities I would not have allowed the removal of the sequoia for that Japanese church no matter what price the buyers offered.


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Post  balogh on Sun 9 Sep 2018 - 20:08

rsv1cox wrote:Great story's Andras and Fred.

…………….  

Thank you Bob!

Cutting trees in my country is also bound to permits and you can only cut a tree on your field if you plant an akin replacement somewhere else in your yard.


A large willow tree in my yard  overhung the roof of the summerhouse and threatened it in stormy winds, and we only wanted to cut it short to save it but found its trunk interior so rotten that finally we had to fell it completely.

But unlike elsewhere we actually had to pay for the deposition of the chopped wood in a green waste site, nobody would pay for the wood unless it is of some decent kind...oak would probably fetch some money.
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Post  rsv1cox on Mon 10 Sep 2018 - 7:14

Not much lumber left in this one Andras.

When they felled it, they dropped it just the way it was leaning, right towards my house.

My one regret was that it housed a family of flying squirrels, all of whom survived.






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Post  MauricioB on Mon 10 Sep 2018 - 8:33

Hello Andras ... I was surprised by the size of those trees ... I remember reading about them many years ago ... but now when you see the exposed photos there, they are really impressive.
That motor Cox .010 is a cherry there ... in that beautiful photo.
Congratulations on your trip, surely you will enjoy it to the full. Thanks for sharing those experiences!
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Post  MauricioB on Mon 10 Sep 2018 - 8:46

rsv1cox wrote:Not much lumber left in this one Andras.

When they felled it, they dropped it just the way it was leaning, right towards my house.  

My one regret was that it housed a family of flying squirrels, all of whom survived.


Good thing they did the job with very good results ... all safe! Great friend!
(What a beautiful animal that squirrel is!) Here there is no ...
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Post  fredvon4 on Mon 10 Sep 2018 - 13:13

Balogh you said "In the shoes of US authorities I would not have allowed the removal of the sequoia for that Japanese church no matter what price the buyers offered."

and for some strange reason the older I get the MORE Tree Hugger I become..
Seriously.... two decades ago I was quite militant against "Tree Huggers"

Of course we need back story....PETA, Tree Huggers, and a lot of those militant folks were behaving very badly....

Letting laboratory animals loose was and is a very bad idea......most died a worse non humane death than was planed for them

Destroying 150~230 SUVs on a southern California sales lot is a very bad idea....many were set afire.... air quality down there is already compromised...... adding to the environment a LOT more noxious gasses was a stupid move

Burning down a giant LODGE in the mountains of California killing 3 humans is a very bad idea....Fully insured...the Lodges all ( yes Virginia the nuts burned down about 5 of these giant structures) as I said-- all of them were insured and rebuilt....The stupids were mad about the use of Earth Resources to build the giant decadent structure,,,,so they made sure mother earth had to do it again a second or third time..... not a lot of critical thinking is the militant tree huger crowd

Throwing chicken blood on some FUR wearing celiberatly was not too egregious IMO---- BUT COME ON IDIOTS?!....adding Sulfuric Acid to the blood and scarring the OTHER HUMAN just to make your point....sorry you LOST MY support
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Post  balogh on Mon 10 Sep 2018 - 20:53

Fred I am not sure I have understood your point on why I have lost your support. Just hope not to have caused any controversy with my sympathy fir the sequoias.
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Post  Jason_WI on Mon 10 Sep 2018 - 23:21

balogh wrote:Thanks Jeff. Back in 2013 when our kids joined us on a similar trip to Monterey we visited that lovely Acquarium there.

When visiting the other famous California redwood park Muir Woods North of San Francisco bay this week I could not resist buying a small redwood seedling sold there..I am not sure I will live till this lil thing reaches the 300+ feet size of trees we saw at Muir Woods and Yosemite..



Providing it survives our transatlantic flight home and the transplantation it will grow 1 foot each year lol!

I highly doubt customs will let that tree in. Infact please leave it here. It may contain pathogens (fungus, insects, and bacteria) that could decimate your domestic trees or crops. We are losing all our ash trees here from emerald ash borer that came from China. In the early 70 we lost all our elm trees from Dutch elm disease. The American chestnut no longer can survive more than a few years before a fungus destroys them. All this happened when stuff was brought in through the border.
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Post  balogh on Tue 11 Sep 2018 - 0:17

I understand your concerns Jason. Back in 2013 I once already brought such a sequoia seedling from Muir Woods to Hungary but unfortunately it died soon.

Customs in Hungary did not really bother. I trust the seedling is as sterile as it was produced and packed for commercial use by the company it sells.
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Post  Marleysky on Tue 11 Sep 2018 - 12:17

balogh wrote:Fred I am not sure I have understood your point on why I have lost your support. Just hope not to have caused any controversy with my sympathy fir the sequoias.

Balogh, The way i read what Fred wrote is the Tree Huggers lost his support when they burnt down wood cabins and threw blood mixed with acid on innocent people wearing fur coats.  Doing stupid dangerous hurtful things that did not help the agenda of the conservationists, they lost his support.  I did not take it as a comment aimed at you.  Popcorn
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