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Post  prostreet on Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:57 am

Hello,

    I went to a train show yesterday and spent an hour and a half walking around looking to see what was for sale that I needed.  One of the last tables that I had come to had the usual run of the mill train accessories but at the end of the table I saw a gas powered airplane of some sort beneath a plastic bag.  I picked the plane up and found that it was a nearly mint condition light green/dark green  Cox Spitfire with a red prop cone!  The only piece that is missing is the antenna-everything else is there and complete with no other breaks.  The box, what is left of it, accompanied the plane with the original instructions and paperwork laying inside.  Unfortunately, the box is badly deteriorated and the instructions and other paperwork are very fragile and falling apart. The wheels on the landing gear are still soft and spongy with no flat spots or cracks. The guy selling the plane told me it was his when he was a kid and he remembers flying it only once or twice.  The plane has no fuel stains anywhere on the outside and the decals are all complete and intact.  The engine is locked up from sitting for so long but I will be able to remove it and free it up with little difficulty.  Perhaps the best part of this was the price-the seller was asking only $40.00 for the plane and the remnants of the box.  I offered $30.00 but we agreed to split it down the middle at $35.00!  She's on my workbench now disassembled while I free up the engine and clean up the body before putting it back together.  It'll make a nice addition to my collection and it will be a find I remember for a long time.  My Dad and I went to this show together which is always a fun thing to do since we share many common interests.

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Post  Cribbs74 on Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:10 am

You did very well. Good job!

How about a picture or two?
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Post  prostreet on Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:44 pm

Hello,

    The engine is free now with good compression but I did find a problem with the crank pin. The pin that the connecting rod links to was bent upwards for some reason.  This was causing the piston to bind in the cylinder as it came up on the stroke because the connecting rod was moving on an angle as the piston cycled up and down.  Once the crank pin was straightened, the engine turns over smoothly.  The Spitfire is now back together and cleaned up.  I was able to attach some photos of my train show find.  Thanks.

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Post  prostreet on Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:10 pm

Can any of the members tell me when this plane in this color scheme was made? I've seen several variations of this airplane but I don't know when they were produced. Thanks.

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Post  Marleysky on Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:31 pm

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prostreet wrote:Can any of the members tell me when this plane in this color scheme was made?  I've seen several variations of this airplane but I don't know when they were produced. Thanks.

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Post  crankbndr on Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:06 pm

Nice find! I wonder what Cox was thinking with the antenna. Most are missing.
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Post  dckrsn on Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:43 pm

I could wear that plane out, by just
sitting and staring at it. Not even
touching. Brilliant score.
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:02 pm

prostreet wrote:The engine is free now with good compression but I did find a problem with the crank pin. The pin that the connecting rod links to was bent upwards for some reason.  This was causing the piston to bind in the cylinder as it came up on the stroke because the connecting rod was moving on an angle as the piston cycled up and down.  Once the crank pin was straightened, the engine turns over smoothly.  The Spitfire is now back together and cleaned up.  I was able to attach some photos of my train show find.  Thanks.  prostreet
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Nice, thanks for sharing. Memory is a little fuzzy but I got one of those back in 1965 either on my birthday or for Christmas. I was 11 at the time. It had nice spongy soft tires and only one under wing oil cooler.
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Post  prostreet on Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:35 pm

Good Evening,

Thank you for the replies. This plane still has nice soft, spongy tires and it also has an oil cooler under only one wing. Safe and Happy Holidays to All!

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Post  TLAnderson on Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:47 pm

Nice find. Very Happy  I had one of those in about 1967. It was too cool looking to risk flying it.
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Post  getback on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:52 am

Cool Man !! hope you didnt hurt your self getting to the $$$ Very Happy Nice score !! This Site Rocks! O hea what about those trains ?? Pics !!
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Post  ticomareado on Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:05 am

I assume that you aren't going to attempt an engine run with that stress damaged crank pin.
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Post  prostreet on Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:13 am

Hello,

I have no intention of running the engine in the Spitfire especially with the crank pin that was bent but is now straight. I just wanted the engine to turn over and operate as it should once it was unlocked. I didn't take any pictures of the train show itself if that is what you're asking for so I have none to post. Next time around I will try to remember to take some photos of the show itself. I think there's another local show coming up just after Christmas.

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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:28 pm

prostreet wrote:Hello,

    I have no intention of running the engine in the Spitfire especially with the crank pin that was bent but is now straight.  I just wanted the engine to turn over and operate as it should once it was unlocked.  I didn't take any pictures of the train show itself if that is what you're asking for so I have none to post.  Next time around I will try to remember to take some photos of the show itself.  I think there's another local show coming up just after Christmas.  

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Joe,

The crank for that engine is extremely common nearly anyone of us has a spare crank, if you need one just let us know. I would send one for free, just say the word. BTW I recently aquired a Spitfire myself. It’s one of Cox’s nicest models.

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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:16 pm

According to Dannels/Sitter (Cox Model Engine Handbook page 27) the Spitfire was equipped with the 8cc "Silver Bee" engine.  However the distance between the exposed cylinder and needle looks to be closer to a 4cc BB engine.

Got a picture of the engine while you had it out?

Ron?

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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:37 pm

From what I recall, the Silver Bee engine I had was like the Golden Bee, 8 cc tank but lacked the stunt filler nipple and vent, back was like the Babe Bee. But I gather that prostreet's goals are to appreciate the Spitfire as a static display, not a runner.

I also gather that because the Spitfire was heavier with more plastic, and probably the best looking of the Cox RTF's ever manufactured, the Silver Bee's dual bypass ports essential to move that amount of plastic through the air made it a forerunner to the later Black Widow nearing its power.

If one wanted it as a runner, wouldn't be hard to spare the engine and install a later one with the Babe Bee nipple back. However, even I would not want to try it as given its rarity, would be irreparably easy to damage in flight. Rather, I think templating the model in balsa and flying a scratch built version would be more apt.
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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:51 pm

Not trying to get you to do anything you don’t want to. All I was trying to say is if you want a functional crank/ engine. Just let me know

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Post  prostreet on Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 pm

Hello,

Thank you for the additional comments and offers for parts. I never intend on flying this plane so installing a new crank would not serve my intentions for this model. I'm happy with the beautiful condition of the plane and the fact that the engine now turns over and has a "pop" to its compression when the motor is turned over. Unfortunately, I did not take a photo of the engine when I had it out and apart so determining which engine it is may not be possible at this point. I sincerely appreciate the offers and comments on my find and hope to come across more in the future.

Joe
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Post  rsv1cox on Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:02 am

It must have the 8cc "Silver Bee" engine with the filler/vent tubes beside the needle as shown in the instructions you posted with the picture.

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Post  Oldenginerod on Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:00 pm

rsv1cox wrote:However the distance between the exposed cylinder and needle looks to be closer to a 4cc BB engine.

Looking at the picture, I'd say it's definitely an 8cc tank. Needle is well away from the cylinder.

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