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Post  Iceberg on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:27 pm

Hi Guys
I've heard about the Cox Model Engine Handbook that was produced in the past. Is it worthwhile to get? Where to find it? Seems tough to find.

Thanks
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Post  Marleysky on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:34 pm

Sotra like “THE” book to have on Cox engines. I don’t own one yet, but it is on EBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cox-Model-Engine-Handbook/183698811758?hash=item2ac54d6b6e:g:xV8AAOSwYh9b8zSe

Seems to be readily available and reasonably priced.

Not like this book, I read as a youngster, but try and find a cheap copy now......

https://www.amazon.com/Buzzards-Soaring-Book-Dave-Thornburg/dp/B000KYITG8
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Post  roddie on Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:29 pm

Another publication by "Dave Thornburg" that I've been told is worth having in your aero-modelling library..

https://www.amazon.com/Do-You-Speak-Model-Airplane/dp/B002ANRY8G
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Post  KariFS on Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:28 am

I think the Handbook is meant mostly for engine collectors, as it lists and describes just about all the known variations of different product- and other engines.

Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, in this book there is not a lot of practical info about how to run and troubleshoot the engines.

I guess the usefulness of this book depends on what you want from it. I personally do not own a copy, even though I am more a collector than a flier. But I am working on becoming more of a flier Smile
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Post  balogh on Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:47 am

Kari if you mean this one (which is different from what Roddie refers to above) https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cox-Model-Engine-Handbook/183698811758?hash=item2ac54d6b6e:g:xV8AAOSwYh9b8zSe, then yes, this is a listing of all COX engines with a plethora of component combinations, ever made, without any technical advice on how to run, trouble-shoot and maintain COX engines, and this was really meant to be read by collectors.
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Post  KariFS on Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:03 am

Yes, Andras, I did indeed mean the "Cox Model Engine Handbook". Seems like an interesting book, but with the postage and everything, I have not yet found it "interesting enough", since I am just a "casual" collector, with no plans to collect all of them.
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Post  getback on Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:58 am

I have a question while we are here does anyone know if the engines inside have the breakdown of the components used in each engine , or just a couple pics of the engine and read on it . ?? Huh...
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Post  balogh on Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:52 am

Eric the handbook details - mainly for the product engines though- which version of various components were used in which production years. Here is an example:

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The component numbers and lettering like 30b, 71a etc. differentiate the versions and are explained with photos in the first chapters of the book. So looking at  the combination of  various engine components you may be able to identify in which production years your engine may have been manufactured.
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Post  Mudhen on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:44 am

This is the engine from Feb. 1962.
Cox Model Engine Handbook Feb19610
It's the 190-2 from the initial issue, red P-51 Bendix Trophy Racer.
The "ECJ #12c" shown in the handbook is a 290 from 1964, (or later,) not February 1962.


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Post  GallopingGhostler on Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:44 pm

I got 2 of those type engines. One was from a turtle deck P-51 (A or B?). I bought it for something less than a dollar back in the late 1960's / early 1970's from Gemco, a department store in Waipahu, Oahu, Hawaii. They were having an outdoor clearance sale. The P-51 RTF had a fuselage and wing, but was lacking the fuselage rear bottom and movable elevator. Then in high school, I completed it by making a squared off balsa sheet bottom and balsa sheet elevator halves connected by music wire using cloth hinges. Used gloss Olive Drab paint, which matched it close enough. It looked quite good, actually. Still have the donor engine.

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The anodized black prop thrust plate I added after along with the aluminium nose spinner, mounted it to a Goldberg EB-1 engine mount. It originally used a prop 5-40 stud and barrel for a red rubber spinner. Being light weight at 1.6 oz. less prop, I may install this on my Pat King .020 Pee Wee Baby Ringmaster. Install prop backwards to reduce thrust and use a glow plug mount head to reduce power.
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Post  balogh on Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:49 pm

These 190-s, no matter that not the strongest 049-s, remain my favorits from the 1970-s when I first saw a COX engine that instantly and eternally mesmerized me with its miniaturism, beauty and brute power..I also have a few of them including the one from the 1970-s and I will never part with them
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:07 pm

They may not be the strongest .049 reedies, but they are IMO sufficiently powerful. The twin intake ported ones for the heavier RTF's was indeed very decent as they were used for 1/2-A proto speed back in the 1960's, probably Black Widow like. I was under the impression that the single ported ones were a tad stronger than a Babe Bee. Don't have any numbers, but would be interested to know if the single ported one with high compression head compared with the Golden Bee.

I like them because they are very light in weight, lighter than the Sure Starts. I weighed mine using my scale and this is with the EB-1 mount. With a starter spring it would be a little heavier. The beauty of these is they came with a finer thread needle, finer than the Sure Starts.
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Post  KariFS on Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:03 pm

Mudhen wrote:This is the engine from Feb. 1962.
Cox Model Engine Handbook Feb19610
It's the 190-2 from the initial issue, red P-51 Bendix Trophy Racer.
The "ECJ #12c" shown in the handbook is a 290 from 1964, (or later,) not February 1962.

I have one that has the narrow nose crankcase without the groove for the starter spring, I gather it is one of the early ones. The needle has a yellow plastic ”handle”. The cylinder is a #2. No idea where ot was originally installed, it came with a bunch of other engines.

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Post  dckrsn on Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:35 pm

KariFS wrote:
Mudhen wrote:This is the engine from Feb. 1962.
Cox Model Engine Handbook Feb19610
It's the 190-2 from the initial issue, red P-51 Bendix Trophy Racer.
The "ECJ #12c" shown in the handbook is a 290 from 1964, (or later,) not February 1962.

I have one that has the narrow nose crankcase without the groove for the starter spring, I gather it is one of the early ones. The needle has a yellow plastic ”handle”. The cylinder is a #2. No idea where ot was originally installed, it came with a bunch of other engines.

With all due respect, I'm pretty sure the engine pictured is actually the 190-1 from
1961. It was used in the early Stuka airplane. The lack of bumps or ears on the sides
of the backplate, bear this out.
The 190's are one of my favorite engines, and I own way too many of 'em. Embarassed
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Post  Mudhen on Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:05 pm

This is the 190-1 from the initial issue JU-87D Stuka. Also from Feb. 1962
Cox Model Engine Handbook 190_110

Its formal name is the Super 190-1 Special Engine
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Post  Admin on Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:21 pm

Mud, please write a book. You'll sell out immediately. Pray


I have the Cox Model Engine Handbook and love it, even if there are a few issues here and there which is expected for something covering over 50 years of engines.

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Post  akjgardner on Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:06 pm

there is one on ebay right now
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Post  Mudhen on Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:22 pm

Admin wrote:Mud, please write a book
lol...I'm trying. Warm
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I blurred everything...you'll just have to wait.
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Post  Cribbs74 on Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:47 pm

Even with blurry pictures I can already tell that I like that format.
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Post  Jason_WI on Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:48 pm

Taking pre-orders? Smile
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Post  GWILLIEFOX on Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 am

Iceberg wrote:Hi Guys
I've heard about the Cox Model Engine Handbook that was produced in the past. Is it worthwhile to get? Where to find it? Seems tough to find.

Thanks
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From Tim Dannels   www.modelenginecollecting.com.  it is on sale right now.
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Post  Mudhen on Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:12 am

Jason_WI wrote:Taking pre-orders? Smile
Not yet. Still a lot of work ahead of me.
I started the project in 1991. Terminated it in 2006, and picked it up again in 2018.
I'm still in my catch up phase.
But CEF will have first dibs.
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Post  getback on Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:05 am

That sounds Great , i am in for one !! Shamrock
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Post  Iceberg on Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:41 pm

Id like one if electronic. Books are hard to travel with.
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Post  GWILLIEFOX on Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:39 am

Mudhen wrote:
Jason_WI wrote:Taking pre-orders? Smile
Not yet. Still a lot of work ahead of me.
I started the project in 1991. Terminated it in 2006, and picked it up again in 2018.
I'm still in my catch up phase.
But CEF will have first dibs.
Looking forward to your work. I know well what you are facing. It took three of use a couple of years to do the Fox index for Tim Dannels ECJ and there were only 307 of them.
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