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Post  Kim on Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:25 pm

Vince and I made the run to a Swap Meet hosted by the Midwest Air Wing RC Club in the Granite City Township Hall.

Seemed like they had a fair turn out on this dark, rainy Saturday.

One REALLY interesting item---though not for sale--was a WWII era OQ-2 Radioplane Target Drone. I'd seen the one in the National Museum of the USAF, but was allowed a much closer look at this example, which had one wing left uncovered to view the wing's structure...AND the penciled signatures of some of it's builders.
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From Wikipedia:
It was at the Radioplane plant at the Van Nuys Airport, near Los Angeles, on June 26, 1945 that Army photographer David Conover saw a young woman assembler named Norma Jeane Dougherty, whom he thought had potential as a model.

She was photographed in the plant, which led to a screen test for Norma Jeane, who soon changed her name to Marilyn Monroe.
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I posted some links at the bottom to provide a little history on this cool "War Bird".

Vince scored an .020-powered Cox Skycopter, while I walked away with four buck's worth of small hardware packets, so it wasn't a big haul for us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioplane_OQ-2

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/rpav_radioplane4.html

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Post  crankbndr on Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:54 pm

Reginald Denny was quite a guy!! Aviator, movie star, hobbiest and tapping Norma Jeane to boot!! My hero!
His models are sought after and valuable.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Denny_(actor)
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Post  NEW222 on Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:53 pm

You passed on the control line trainer with Cox engine? If I may ask, what was he asking for it if you know? Does anyone know what model it is? First I thought a Ringmaster, then second look debunked that thought!
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Post  MauricioB on Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:25 pm

Hey Kim, your stories are very interesting ... think ... I am more than 12,000 km away and I know a lot about the characters and figures of the USA, so, thanks for sharing these stories that somehow make me know a lot more from the USA.
Vince has made a good purchase, I hope to see a flight video of his Skycopter .020 !!
You have also done it, think ... at 2 am in the workshop ... you need those accessories and there they are hanging on a shelf !! ... you are going to say: it's good that you buy them !!
Hugs friend!


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Post  Oldenginerod on Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:36 pm

Kim wrote:

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What? affraid   You passed up the Gilbert?  What sort of enthusiast are you??? lol!
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Post  NEW222 on Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:54 pm

After these 'you passed on this, you passed on that', Kim will never show us picturns again.... Very Happy Very Happy
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Post  NEW222 on Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:57 pm

However, on a side note, I really enjoy pictures like this. We no longer have a formal swap meet of any kind here anymore. Even that said, ours were much smaller. It seems like all the pages on Facebook be it locally, and afar took that over here. Also, you no longer have to wait for that time and keep holding stuff until then I guess. But I do miss them.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:09 am

did you grab the pagco engine? do u remember what they were asking for it? looks like it was a good time!
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Post  Cribbs74 on Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:15 am

NEW222 wrote:You passed on the control line trainer with Cox engine? If I may ask, what was he asking for it if you know? Does anyone know what model it is? First I thought a Ringmaster, then second look debunked that thought!

Sterling Shoestring.
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Post  balogh on Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:05 am

Kim,

What was the duty of that WW2 drone? Surveillance photography? With no picture transmission to the ground how was it timed to shoot the pics in the right time and location?
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Post  KariFS on Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:50 am

The wiki article crank posted says that another actor and a photographer, a fellow named Ronald Reagan also worked there and he was the one that persuaded Norma Jean to begin modeling (sadly, not the kind of modeling we do lol! ). Small world.

Andras, I think that drone was used for anti-aircraft gunner training. It is a lot smaller and slower than a real aircraft, but when it flies by at a close distance it will be sort of a realistic target. It has the parachute for landing, I guess it was used also when the plane was intact, not only when it was hit.
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Post  balogh on Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:05 am

Thanks Kari..Norma Jean was a boxer engine powered model as seen in the pic.. Very Happy
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Post  MauricioB on Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:11 am

Although the system of counter-rotating propellers is to avoid the torque effect of the engine, I wonder what would be the real purpose of using this system in the model ??, possibly better control of the aircraft and better use of the radio system? , less use of energy to control its direction ?? ...
I am just thinking that it is a complex mechanical system and it is more time and machinery demand for its manufacture .... I find it very interesting to know what was your application goal? Huh...
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Post  Oldenginerod on Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:29 am

KariFS wrote:
Andras, I think that drone was used for anti-aircraft gunner training. It is a lot smaller and slower than a real aircraft, but when it flies by at a close distance it will be sort of a realistic target.

I suspect it was used for towing a target rather than being the target.  I'm pretty sure they also used manned aircraft for towing gunner practice targets, although this might be a little risky for the newer recruits Huh...
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Post  getback on Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:21 am

Nice Haul !! No reason to bring home more stuff if you DON'T need it lol! Mauricio here is something on the CR props https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra-rotating_propellers Those round tables would make it a PIA to get around for Me ! Hope to see the Chopper fly Wink
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Post  NEW222 on Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:31 am

Thanks for clearing the model of the plane up. Now to go see if I can find some plans online.....
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Post  crankbndr on Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:45 am

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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:59 pm

balogh wrote:Kim,

What was the duty of that WW2 drone? Surveillance photography? With no picture transmission to the ground how was it timed to shoot the pics in the right time and location?

I'm pretty certain that they just shot at the thing.  There is a reference in one of the sites that they typically had a lifespan of five flights, with the record being 64 or something like that.

Years later, the Ryan Firebee (my all time favorite drone) did the same duty, but powered by a small turbine engine, and was blown out of the sky on a regular basis by guns and missiles.
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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:12 pm

Cribbs74 wrote:
NEW222 wrote:You passed on the control line trainer with Cox engine? If I may ask, what was he asking for it if you know? Does anyone know what model it is? First I thought a Ringmaster, then second look debunked that thought!

Sterling Shoestring.

Yep...that's what it was. I waited for it's owner for a while, but eventually wandered away. It looked nice, but I've already got a small air force of 1/2A sheetwings waiting for attention. Vince went back to check on it, and it had been sold. The guy hadn't posted a price.
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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:17 pm

Mark Boesen wrote:did you grab the pagco engine? do u remember what they were asking for it? looks like it was a good time!

I thought Vince might get it, but after I took the photo another guy pounced on it. Don't know what it went for.

Yeah, it was a fun trip, though I wasn't feeling good. Luckily, Vince was driving, so I get several micro naps going up and back.
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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:23 pm

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Kim wrote:

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What? affraid   You passed up the Gilbert?  What sort of enthusiast are you??? lol!

The kind that's almost already "Gilbert Poor" Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Post  fredvon4 on Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:59 pm

CEFers have seen hundreds of "MY SWAP MEET BUY" threads and every one of us has (under our breath) claimed "I want that"!!!

We only have a few dedicated Travelers that meander about to swap meets within 3 states of their home back yard

Wouldn't it be Kewl if they could real time POST about what's on the table, how much...dicker, no dicker..

and Fred could TEXT...Hey Kim BUY me a good looking Shrike for under $80 if you see one...OR I want that Cox TeeDee 15 you by passed for $55...

Sorry Kim, Ron, and other Swapmeet dudes and duddettes....extra burden and a royal PITA to Logistically plan and implement

BUT Damn!...Kim and Ron have posted a BUNCH of swapmeet things I WOULD WANT>>>>>>!!!!!

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