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Post  rsv1cox on Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:18 am

As received:

Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Flea_m19

Cover box not too bad.  Stupid electrical tape repairs will be replaced with white glue and the wrinkles ironed out.  Bottom box is near perfect with a date of Sept 20 1994.

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Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Flea_m18

Saturday night bath a few days early.  Household not concentrated Simple Green is easier on plastic and decals.

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Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Flea_m22

JB Weld repairs to fuel tank and fuselage.  What was this guy thinking of.............

Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Flea_m28

Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Flea_m21

Basic differences between my PT-19 and flea market guy:  Cockpit, fueling system, and wing attachments.

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Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Flea_m25
Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Flea_m27
Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Flea_m26

Five boxes, lot of flea market fun for thirty bucks.....

Bob
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Post  Kim on Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:23 am

COOL DEAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post  David S on Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:48 pm

Great flea market find! I like to find cox models to fix up into their former glory!
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Post  NEW222 on Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:37 pm

Good deal, and nice restoration.
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Post  DrCox on Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:52 pm

Would be interesting to hear the story as to why the JB Weld was needed. Maybe take-off or landing or a combination of both? The pictures of the Flight Trainers bring back many wonderful memories of the excitement of seeing them fly for the first time, along with the sound of the .049 and smell of the spent Cox fuel.

Great clean up Bob.
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Post  rsv1cox on Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:28 pm

I have never had much interest in these PT-19's, but this one sent me to Mr. Google and some research.

Found a very interesting circa 2017 thread right here on the CEF.  But I was mainly interested in discovering when or if they were produced in China.  I never pinned that down but this was pretty complete.

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Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Pt-19_14

From this I gather that my first PT-19 is an earlier version, and the Flea Market one is the later.......Definitely maybe!

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Post  getback on Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:06 am

WOW thats some pretty good detailed stuff / changes form 60s to 90s . got better then started going to the dogs in the 90s ! Good things to know if you have parts (like i do ) ( Thanks Joe!) when ur looking for pieces to make up another . Huh... ( should bee Butt scratching ) lol!
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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:43 pm

I have the box somewhat repaired.  Duct tape from the inside and a little Elmer's white glue.  Not my best job.  I glued the worst end and left the best end open.  I cleaned the dirty/dusty box with diluted household Simple Green, let it dry well then sprayed it with Johnson's Pledge.  Brightens things up.

Googling I found that Cox boxed these many different ways, most can be found displayed open so you can see how things were arranged.  But not this one.  The fuselage and wing are an easy ID but nothing else is.  I would like to know how the engine and accessories were packed.  Anyone have a picture of this particular boxing?  

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Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Pt-19_17

Oh by the way -never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never ever.............. boil a horseshoe engine.

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But.....................I have an excuse.
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Post  David S on Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:39 pm

I have a late PT-19 that has made in China on the box.The box is unopened I am not sure when the production moved to china!
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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:16 pm

Mine has a Made/Printed in USA on the box in 1994.

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You have my admiration for not opening that box.

No way could I resist the urge, only if I had another identical one in an open box.

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Post  NEW222 on Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:49 pm

Wow on that horseshoe engine. Poor thing. But I have to ask how or what you boiled it with. Was it an antifreeze bath, or something else? Just to know for the future. Thank you.
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Post  NEW222 on Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:49 pm

And nice resto on the box it came in.
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Post  rsv1cox on Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:11 am

NEW222 wrote:Wow on that horseshoe engine. Poor thing. But I have to ask how or what you boiled it with. Was it an antifreeze bath, or something else? Just to know for the future. Thank you.

Yes, A/F crock pot boil.

Dropped it in a cold pot, turned the heat to high with the intent to remove it after fifteen minutes.  Got involved with something else and forgot about if for a hour or so.  

Terrible stuff to remove.  The reed side expanded within the case along with the e-clip.  I had to heat it with the heat gun and pull the stuff out with pliers.  No harm done other than to my ego.

I have at least ten other horse shoe engines in colors, the majority being the white that came out of the PT-19.  The vacant front ends will receive the badly anodized 8 cc tanks I got from Cox Int.

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Anyone have a picture of that particular boxing?
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Post  Oldenginerod on Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:24 am

rsv1cox wrote:
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Bob.  Looks like you dropped an oyster lol!
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Post  ticomareado on Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:15 am

I'm not a plastics tech, but if the back plate is made of Delrin (acetal) there are some idiosyncracies and industrial hygiene issues about melting and burning it.
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Post  KariFS on Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:44 pm

Yes, it burns with an almost invisible flame with no smoke and releases formaldehyde gas when it does. It should not melt until at about 250F though Huh...

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Post  OVERLORD on Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:28 pm

rsv1cox wrote:PS........

Anyone have a picture of that particular boxing?  

Is this picture of any help?

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Post  fredvon4 on Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:30 pm

does it say made in china?
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Post  rsv1cox on Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:39 pm

OVERLORD wrote:
rsv1cox wrote:PS........

Anyone have a picture of that particular boxing?  

Is this picture of any help?

Box 5 - The flea market PT-19 Cox-pt10

Yes!

The cover art is somewhat different and the tail section cardboard flap on mine doesn't allow the tail of the fuselage to go in as deep, and the front of mine is secured by a wire tie.

But it answers the question, where does the engine fit?.....So that is what the little "finger hole" is for on one side of the box. Thanks, that was my major concern.

And yes....Does that box say where it was made?

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Post  David S on Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:29 pm

My PT-19 box is the same as the photo in the post above.My box has made in china on the front bottom and on the side of the box.Anybody know when production moved to China?
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