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Post  OhBee on Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:16 pm

Do you have to glue in the hardwood beam mounts with epoxy? Is Titebond II strong enough? I have that...no epoxy. Plywood doublers go over it all anyway.....Thanks!
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Post  Levent Suberk on Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:33 pm

Titebond II is strong and water proof but not fuel proof. I use epoxy for this purpose. Epoxy is nitro fuel proof, especially 24 hours drying type.
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Post  OhBee on Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:55 pm

Okey dokey!  ...Should the plywood doublers be glued with epoxy too then?
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Post  NEW222 on Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:06 pm

I have personally used wood glue to glue up the beams into the balsa as well as gluing the plywood doublers in as well. No failures as of yet. I would not worry about fuelproof at this stage as you will be painting, and or finishing the plane anyways. But myself, I would either dope the engine and mounting areas, or brush on thinned epoxy when finishing the fuselage.
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Post  Levent Suberk on Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:10 pm

I echo NEW222 and use a hot hair dryer to flatten epoxy brush marks. 24 hour epoxy is best for this, but you can use 30 minute epoxy too.
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Post  OhBee on Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:30 pm

Thanks for the tips guys! It may be short lived and never need fuelproofing!  ...Last C/l flight was in 1965-66?   Whereupon my Lil Satan cashed in the last of its lives. Built a Voodoo after that,but it never got flown.
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Post  roddie on Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:02 pm

Using a fuel-resistant adhesive to glue-in the hardwood engine-bearers is good idea, in my opinion. I would follow suit with plywood doublers. Let's picture this model lasting through an extended life of flying. If/when the finish degrades from fuel-exposure, you can be assured that the underlying construction is sound.
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Post  roddie on Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:15 pm

The late-generation wood glues are very good.. as long as they're not exposed to model-fuels/oils. There's a strong movement toward electric-powered flight; where there are no concerns of internal-combustion engine exhaust-wastes or fuel-soaking. Many model-flying clubs are now prohibiting model-IC engine use.. period. I'm not a proponent of that.
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Post  roddie on Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:51 pm

OhBee wrote:Thanks for the tips guys! It may be short lived and never need fuelproofing!  ...Last C/l flight was in 1965-66?   Whereupon my Lil Satan cashed in the last of its lives. Built a Voodoo after that,but it never got flown.

Oh Bee, I was born in 60. I can remember when my dad was an active C/L builder/flyer in the mid-60's. Smile  He later-on built me a Goldberg 1/2A "Swordsman 18" and later.. a "Stuntman 23".. powered by COX Babe/Golden-Bee engines.

I have a CG Voodoo wing framed-up by my uncle.. many years ago.

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A CEF member kindly sourced me with the templates needed to build the tail-booms/feathers and most all other parts. My wing is a spar, ribs, L/E and T/E. No tips.. no bellcrank platform.. no fuse parts.. but I can now fabricate them. I just haven't yet...  Rolling Eyes  

Do you still have your Voodoo?
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Post  dckrsn on Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:00 pm

roddie wrote:The late-generation wood glues are very good.. as long as they're not exposed to model-fuels/oils. There's a strong movement toward electric-powered flight; where there are no concerns of internal-combustion engine exhaust-wastes or fuel-soaking. Many model-flying clubs are now prohibiting model-IC engine use.. period. I'm not a proponent of that.
"Strange times indeed."
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Post  OhBee on Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:02 pm

Roddie...Do you really want to hear the story of my Voodoo? It pains me. I hauled that,a lil jumping bean and  a cox P-40  Flying tiger around  for decades . Several moves , 2 marraiges later these planes finally all got abandoned in the attic of an old outbuilding during an abrupt move AGAIN in 1987! Like I said Nothing had been flown since the 60's so I got tired of moving stuff I didn't use. Well after I retired ,I got reinterested....too late now eh? Meanwhile I had lived in Montana for 10 years.  How I wish I had them all now.  As it turns out I am now living very close to where I left them. The old outbuilding is still there...but is it possible they have spent the last 32 yrs. undiscovered?  I don't know who is living there now,but havn't figured out how to approach them to find out without feeling stupid!  How do you even initiate the conversation? They'd probably call the cops!  Would like some closure though,one way or the other!  Smile
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Post  balogh on Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:53 am

OhBee I am a naturally shy person but surely could not resist going there and telling them I lived there and left stuff in the outbuilding that is important for me and not important for them. Show them photos of the property shot while you lived there, if you have some..identify the location in the attick where you remember having stashed the planes so that they understand you do not want to rummage the whole place to find what you are to search for..offer them a symbolic amount for the finds if any..I think they will understand you and appreciate your search for relics.
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Post  Levent Suberk on Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:21 am

If I find anything in the attic that belongs to former residents, I throw it to trash Eyebrows
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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:07 am

OhBee wrote: I don't know who is living there now,but havn't figured out how to approach them to find out without feeling stupid!  How do you even initiate the conversation? They'd probably call the cops!  Would like some closure though,one way or the other!  Smile

Agree with Andras, plus "Confession is good for the soul"----
"Sorry to bother you folks, but I'm a model airplane nerd, and lived here long ago.  I may have left behind some of my planes when we moved, and was wondering if you'd ever noticed them.  They have great sentimental value, and I'd love to recover them."

That'd be my shot...plus maybe go there on a Friday---people are usually happier on Fridays...

This kind of stuff gets to me...hope you can get then back!

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Post  getback on Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:57 am

Go check it out OhBee!! You never Know till you do , and like me it will haunt you till you do/ I had forgot about some stuff i left in an attic at a rently form my first Marry go round , never have gone back > i had a box full of comic books from my childhood days , my Dad would let me get one everytime we got hair cuts ! Yes the Titebond 2 will bee fine like said you will need to fuel proof ! If you don't it WILL get soaked in quickly and make the wood very weak / mushy . Now that that's said , I would love to go to Montania to see the wide open wilderness But i know i couldn't take the cold! Cold
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Post  fredvon4 on Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:16 am

every single time you do NOT ask a question....the answer is NO
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Post  roddie on Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:54 pm

I agree with everyone here who thinks that you should stop by there to inquire. Imagine how you'd feel if the models were still there..

I know how I'd feel.. Very Happy
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Post  NEW222 on Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:39 pm

Yep. I will also echo teh others opinions on this. Don't stop, you'll never know, and will probably regret it down the road. Me, I would have already been knocking!
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Post  OhBee on Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:44 pm

Trying to get up the nerve...I'm not a real outgoing person, and don't have a way with words.
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Post  Cribbs74 on Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:09 pm

You know the address. Send a letter. Shy or not. “To whom it may concern” do a google search if you want the actual name.

To be brutally honest, if they are still there since 1987 they are probably sawdust. Bugs and heat/cold are wicked.

I would give it a shot, but don’t expect much. If it were me I would march up to the front door and just ask.


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Post  OhBee on Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:40 pm

Lets see how complicated we can make THIS!.....what would be the proper hardware to use mounting an engine to a beam mount?.....not that I'll find anything in this worthless town! Can't even find any slow cure 2 part epoxy to glue the beams in! So I have gotten no further than step one on my kit...hingeing the elevator.
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Post  NEW222 on Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:47 pm

Ideally, I like to personally use a machine screw on the engine side and a blind nut on the other side of the plywood doublers. However, if the blind nuts are unavailable, I use machine screw on engine side and washer / lock washer / nut on the other side. Sorry if I missed the engine size, but most I believe are 4-40 or 6-32 thread pitch. I have also used 8-32 pitch screws on an engine where the previous owner drilled out larger for them.
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Post  OhBee on Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:41 pm

What kind of a size is a 4  or 6 sized screw? I thought they were sized in fractions of an inch ? I'm mounting TD'S ,  .15 OS  engines ,and .35 Enyas. All with undisturbed  engine bearers. No such thing as a decent hardware store around here anymore either.
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Post  944_Jim on Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:40 pm

And each of those engines you indicated will require its own size hardware...Cox .049s take 2-56 machine screws through the engine tabs and into blind nuts on the bearers or plywood. And that is because the appropriate 3-48 hardware is too tough to get.

In a pinch, #2 wood screws into plywood or bearers...again for Cox .049.

The beauty of 2-56 is the smaller diameter which gives a looser fit, and a bit more relaxed install. The extra room around the hardware allows for a bit of fudge factor.

The same 2-56 screw/blindnut hardware also held Norvels from .061-.074.
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Post  NEW222 on Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:48 pm

They mean respectively:
4-40 - size 4 screw with 40 threads per inch (TPI)
6-32 - size 6 screw with 32 threads per inch (TPI)
8-32 - size 8 screw with 32 threads per inch (TPI)

A #10 screw is 3/16". Hope this helps or makes any sense.
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