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Post  balogh Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:32 pm

Reading the happy flight reports of many of you, that I enjoy very much, a bitter development in my country makes me a bit sorry in the same time.

In an "effort of harmonization" with European Union regulations, our almighty parliament is just about to amend the current drone laws in Hungary.

With a weight exceeding 120 (!!!) grams i.e. less than 4oz, and control range more than 100 meters or yards, all unmanned flying vehicles will be subject to mandatory  registration, and allowed to fly after prior application then granting of air space authorization by the national aviation agency in Hungary. No use of drones is allowed for video recordings near living quarters.

No differentiation between quadcopters hauling video gear and humble balsa RC planes powered by as  giant as 010 size COX TeeDees and higher.

Sorry but for those few more years I expect myself and my COX powered planes airworthy, I will not give up flying even if in violation of crazy rules. I am in general a law abiding citizen but will handle the rules at my own discretion.😀

The original motive behind such law was safety related whereas a drone or model airplane having 80 Joule of kinetic energy was considered hazardous. (Such kinetic energy would be carried by a plane weighing 120 grams at about 131 km/h or near 82 mph speed)

To put my inobedience into another perspective, the real motive of lawmakers today is to prevent the media from unveiling in drone videos the dubious growth of wealth of some crooks getting rich thanks to the nepotism of our corrupt politicians.


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Post  OhBee Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:36 pm

Don't they have bigger fish to fry? Always looking for a way to take away freedoms.
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Post  balogh Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:50 pm

Yes OB their interpretation of freedom is along double standards. For those who read George Orwell's Animal Farm or, 1984 the similarity of those utopian novels to nowadays "illiberal democracy' as our infamous prime minister Viktor Orban names it, are astounding.

Sorry, no more politics here, I just wanted to vent my anger..

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Post  rsv1cox Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:35 pm

Worse here Andras, we have liberal governors wanting people to rat out their neighbors for violating covid guide lines.  That with a 97%+ survival rate.

My home state of New Hampshire  - Live Free or Die..... right on the license plate, but I'm sad to report no longer in their hearts.  

Sorry, my little vent, but I could write a book.  "My 83 years peaking and going downhill."
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Post  davidll1984 Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:56 pm

Wel y fly in park wit kids somtime never of m'y live de polices oficer teling me Not ok To fly in park haha ha y wil just stay there if kids tel me go y wil Most of the time y have large audience people like it very curious of m'y litle plane make noise litle of smoke e y remember 2 police oficer look at me from cycle path after y landed then just turn back To cycling patrol lol tink since the time he recognize me
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Post  happydad Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:40 am

rsv1cox wrote:Worse here Andras, we have liberal governors wanting people to rat out their neighbors for violating covid guide lines.  That with a 97%+ survival rate.  

My home state of New Hampshire  - Live Free or Die..... right on the license plate, but I'm sad to report no longer in their hearts.  

Sorry, my little vent, but I could write a book.  "My 83 years peaking and going downhill."

rsv1cox: It's all about the money guys. They want to tax everything.

    ebay just totally separated with PayPal and i almost told ebay "i quit", but i have to many small engines and too much Atari inventory now to try to find a new place to sell stuff. Two Cents
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Post  getback Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:35 am

Yea They want to tax everything !!! I sold a engine to a guy in NZ and it cost ME 11.70 Intern. Tax i was the Turkey NO more though i am sorry there was no way of knowing this either Mad
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Post  balogh Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:26 am

As a heads up following the first post in this topic, the law with all the parameters binding RC flying to registration and ad hoc application of flight authorization has been passed by the parliament today.

I chose to walk the outlaws' path and won't give a ..shaft..to those stupid rules..

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Post  rsv1cox Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:50 am

Hurts when it hits close to home doesn't it.

I feel the same way about the second amendment to our constitution. A select few have a goal about chipping away at it and denying it's purpose to millions of Americans. Smack's of National Socialism, and we know what that lead to.
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Post  crankbndr Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:44 pm

Step out a line, the Man come and take you away.
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Post  GallopingGhostler Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:39 pm

crankbndr wrote:Step out a line, the Man come and take you away.

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Post  crankbndr Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:39 pm

It starts when your always afraid
Into your life it will creep.
Paranoia strikes deep
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Post  GallopingGhostler Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:29 am

Paranoid by Black Sabbath:


[Verse 3]
Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry.
Happiness, I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal
And so, as you hear these words telling you now of my state.
I tell you to enjoy life, I wish I could, but it's too late.
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Post  KariFS Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:34 am

And finally...



Hopefully not though lol!

The whole matter is still open here in Finland. I must admit I haven’t really followed the process, there are some ”lobbyists” among the model airplane crowd who have been involved in the negotiations and try to affect the process that has been going on for years. So far, from what I understand, there will generally be a 400ft ceiling and a little bit easier rules for lightweight models, the limit is (currently) 3 kilos. There may be a registration or a licence in the future too. There will be different rules for ”official” model aviation club airfields, and for ”independent” bush pilots. Everything is still open, we’ll see what happens. If it gets too difficult, I’ll just get rid of my RC planes. I don’t fly them that much anyway, and already have too many hobbies (or things to dream about and dabble with).

Fortunately C/L is still unregulated Smile Maybe I’ll move into that. Also, I think the happiest and most stress-free times of my model aviation hobby was building and flying my rubber-powered free-flight models, and I still have some free-flight kits.

I do feel sorry for the real R/C enthusiasts who have a lot invested (money and emotion) to the hobby. Fortunately Finland is the least densely populated country in EU, except maybe Greenland or Iceland, so there is plenty of remote places to fly out of the way of commercial air traffic. Hardly ever see the police either.
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Post  balogh Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:52 am

Thanks for your sympathy, Kari..the bad news is that the whole weight limitation for unmanned aircraft without registration need trickles down from the directives of EU for national legislation, so Finland may fall victim to that too.

In Hungary the whole thing is fueled by the multi-millionaire cronies of the government who feel uneasy when the media follows the dubious and quick growth of their wealth, documented by videos shot from drones... they do not want filmed - that I understand from at least the privacy reasons - and strive with the support of their politician buddies to get any unmanned aircraft registered - in an effort to raise a bureaucratic barrier.

It is noteworthy, that the local interpretation of those EU directives (that apply to aircraft above 250 grams, or 80 Joules of kinetic energy) pushes the limits in Hungary down to 120 grams.. thanks to the video-capable micro drones available on the market.

Nobody actually talks about model airplanes in particular, but the lawmakers do not even distinguish between drones that  carry those video equipment, and e.g  my highly hazardous 170 gram-heavy RC planes powered by the strategically and intercontinentally threatening COX TeeDee 010 engines and the like.



So, instead of getting rid of my RC planes - that would not even have a market now in the wake of the legislative restrictions -, I will keep flying them as an outlaw...
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Post  GallopingGhostler Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:58 am

balogh wrote:In Hungary the whole thing is fueled by the multi-millionaire cronies of the government who feel uneasy when the media follows the dubious and quick growth of their wealth, documented by videos shot from drones... they do not want filmed - that I understand from at least the privacy reasons - and strive with the support of their politician buddies to get any unmanned aircraft registered - in an effort to raise a bureaucratic barrier.

In order for the NWO to form requires complete domination of all peoples and subservience of governments. Videos are evidence, and one cannot carry out nefarious activity undetected if their evidence surfaces. Step one was control of all printed (newspapers, magazines) and televised (news casting). This is why nearly all MSM sing the same song. Now is Internet (social media, video posting sites, etc.) YouTube, Vimeo, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc. have deleted many videos of "unfavorable" content and canceled accounts.

balogh wrote:Nobody actually talks about model airplanes in particular, but the lawmakers do not even distinguish between drones that  carry those video equipment, and e.g  my highly hazardous 170 gram-heavy RC planes powered by the strategically and intercontinentally threatening COX TeeDee 010 engines and the like.

Simply put, they don't care about the rights of individuals. We see that in US, it was legislated for FAA having no right to control model airplane hobbyist activity with a few ground rules for the hobbyist. Further legislation under the guise of national security nullified that and gave FAA full power to regulate hobbyists. Now, flying model aircraft in national parks, even though there is open space with no one else around, is a banned activity, including control line and gliders.

Even back 40 years ago, I saw signs in California, banning model flight activity of all types in the various public parks. Odd in Long Beach were signs banning bicycles, skates and skateboards on sidewalks in the downtown areas. These ought to be normal children activities, but your so called progressives were against everything that seemed to violate their so called rights. These are the same that want planned neighborhoods, where even changing color of drapes and exterior paint and adding or removing plants in your yard be officially approved by a governing body before you can do.

Now we see where California is at. Those smart enough and able have been exiting out of that state over the past 30 years. We exited 28 years ago and haven't regretted it.

Respecting individualism and their rights is a fundamental of free people. The includes flying model airplanes. Nationality is a reason for personal pride, now they are erasing it. Creating the EU was the first step. Many now feel discord that they no longer have a voice in government, but only the collective does. Because the US is so large, individual states used to behave similar to separate countries bound together by the Constitution. Now, state lines are being dismantled.

balogh wrote:So, instead of getting rid of my RC planes - that would not even have a market now in the wake of the legislative restrictions -, I will keep flying them as an outlaw...

I am reminded of Murphy's Laws of Combat: Try to look unimportant, the enemy may be low on ammunition. I say this as one friend to another and hope that you don't have to go this route, if laws do get changed: If you post videos, don't make them public. (I.e., don't use Vimeo, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. Leave a sharable download link.) Don't talk about your modeling activities on open public accessible sites.

If you do get caught, play dumb, like you didn't know. Then it doesn't appear to be done with willful intent to disregard. Then, it may be just a warning or misdemeanor. (YMMV - your mileage may vary)
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Post  balogh Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:20 am

Thank you, George, for the comparative look into the US regulations.. it looks like there is nothing new under the sun, and we all seem to be exposed to and suffer from the same blatant senselessness of our lawmakers. I wish I lived in a larger country with more free space and less visibility so that my outlaw flights be less detectable.

I particularly envy Kim for his flight fields surrounding his own land so that he just steps out from his garage, cranks his COX and there he goes and flies as free as a bird lol!

I will follow your and Murphy's advice if I get busted by the police, and will act a bit Forrest Gump-ish with lots of benevolence and - pretended - naiveté, in hopes that I will walk with only warnings but not fines ....just to another field to continue flying, again, temporarily undetected.. RC Plane Very Happy
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