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Cylinder blueing (bluing)
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Re: Cylinder blueing (bluing)
Ordered the kit tonight,Jason, although, at the rate I'm going, my wife may kill me, or leave me.Jason_WI wrote:I've had pretty good luck with the Birchwood Casey kit on a TD Special .15 Mk II cylinder. Definately increased its value. Link to the before and after pics are part way down the thread.
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t9266-cox-td-haul
My money's on her killing me, then leaving me. I hope this process doesn't smell bad. That
wouldn't help my case. She's actually a good sport though(not like that OE Rod), but she lets me know
when to cool it.
I have a few really nice cylinders that only need some cosmetic work, and this should help a lot.
Bob
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Re: Cylinder blueing (bluing)
I have used a few different bluing products over the years, and I cannot think of one that ever had a smell to it, or even anything worth mentioning. And I did do all of mine in the basement right here and teh ol lady never said boo. No fans or ventilation at all. SO I would wager to say you are safe.
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Re: Cylinder blueing (bluing)
Thanks, I live to see another day.NEW222 wrote:I have used a few different bluing products over the years, and I cannot think of one that ever had a smell to it, or even anything worth mentioning. And I did do all of mine in the basement right here and teh ol lady never said boo. No fans or ventilation at all. SO I would wager to say you are safe.
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Re: Cylinder blueing (bluing)
Chancey, you may need a Covid test.
It does smell, at least Brownells Oxpho does. It's not overpowering but it's there. I wear gloves when using it.
It does smell, at least Brownells Oxpho does. It's not overpowering but it's there. I wear gloves when using it.
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Re: Cylinder blueing (bluing)
rsv1cox wrote:Chancey, you may need a Covid test.
It does smell, at least Brownells Oxpho does. It's not overpowering but it's there. I wear gloves when using it.
I agree.
Brownells Oxpho has a strong odor. If I smell it, it tingles my nose (not in a good way - gets nose bleeds easy -- old age?).
I try to use it in a well ventilated area.
AND always wear glove when handling chemicals (Acetone, Alcohol, diethyl either, MEK, hydrochloric acid, swimming pool chemicals, bleach, etc.)
I have a book in the shop that is useful. (MSDS binder)
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Re: Cylinder blueing (bluing)
Ok. It's been a while since I last used it. Now I wanna go do a sniff test....
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Sounds possible even for me
Thanks Balogh, Emanuel, Mark Boesen, rsv1Cox, Levent Suberk and Getback. I will accept your encouragement and advice. Have sent an email to Birchwood Casey asking whether to use their Perma Blue paste, Perma Blue liquid, or Super Blue liquid. Also have an .09 cylinder with some bald spots around the exhaust ports to be touched up. Thanks to Emanuel for the balloon suggestion to protect the inside. Maybe the finger of an inflated rubber glove? Also paraffin wax the bore? In product descriptions there are comments "Super Blue is for hardened or highly polished steel" and "avoid getting Super Blue onto previous bluing", "Super Blue gives a tougher finish". I am curious. Tee Dee cylinders are unhardened according to Sceptre/Model Aircraft review. Does that mean Super Blue should not be used or only that it is better than needed? The .051 cylinder is pretty highly polished by my standards. Would Perma Blue be better for touch-ups, blend in better with old bluing? Hopefully I will receive an answer from the manufacturer that only removes my hat. For smallest jar, Oxpho Blue $46, Perma Blue $12 on Amazon.ca. S&H reduces % difference. Visited several Toronto gun shops' web sites but found no bluing. They are endangered, gun control is being considered to stop frequent murders, gang fights. Just a day or two ago was the anniversary of the mass killing of 14 young women engineering students in Montreal. I don't understand, women have been in engineering for a long time. For example, Elsie MacGill, Queen of the Hurricanes.
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jenuine-motor on the bay today
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cox-Engine-049-8cc-Stunt-Tank-Anodized-Maroon-Very-Nice-Condition-/293856260354
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Re: Cylinder blueing (bluing)
I just sold Jim at jenuine-motor a Space Hopper so he could put his touches on it for a customer, sounds pretty wild he said he would send me the pics when done .
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YouTube bluing videos
There are lots. Two deal with Birchwood Casey Perma Blue and Super Blue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li-HplErc5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flAPYVKGnLk&t=39s
The second guy said that the results are cosmetic but not really very good rust protection. I think I remember seeing similar on Brownell's site, but they had a link to a guy who shows a technique which he says offers protection. It involves heat and might not be advisable for cylinders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li-HplErc5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flAPYVKGnLk&t=39s
The second guy said that the results are cosmetic but not really very good rust protection. I think I remember seeing similar on Brownell's site, but they had a link to a guy who shows a technique which he says offers protection. It involves heat and might not be advisable for cylinders.
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Re: Cylinder blueing (bluing)
DougW wrote:There are lots. Two deal with Birchwood Casey Perma Blue and Super Blue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li-HplErc5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flAPYVKGnLk&t=39s
The second guy said that the results are cosmetic but not really very good rust protection. I think I remember seeing similar on Brownell's site, but they had a link to a guy who shows a technique which he says offers protection. It involves heat and might not be advisable for cylinders.
Curious. Model engine parts, firearm parts. Same thing. Remember, neutralize the blue with oil. Been doing it for years. Rust? What is that? But I must admit, there is a certain amount of after-care that is required.
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