Cox Engines Forum
You are not logged in! Please login or register.

Logged in members see NO ADVERTISEMENTS!


Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Cox_ba12




Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Pixel

Log in

I forgot my password

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Props for Texaco Event
by sosam117 Today at 6:21 am

» Shrike stands
by getback Today at 6:10 am

» Shuriken 1/2A engines
by BlackWidow Yesterday at 8:03 pm

» Weird (to me) Cylinder/Piston Relationship
by roddie Yesterday at 6:43 pm

» Jerobee how To save how to fix a broken frame
by davidll1984 Yesterday at 11:48 am

» "Breezy Hill's 1/2A Day" April 17th & 18th...Is In The Books!!!!
by rsv1cox Yesterday at 11:42 am

» Ball bearings you say? 3D printed BB crankcase.
by SABOO Yesterday at 7:32 am

» thinking of a new project
by getback Yesterday at 6:20 am

» Need advice on throttle/muffler ring
by roddie Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:54 pm

» Homemade Prop Balancer
by Levent Suberk Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:52 pm

» Question please about cox ski-doo snowmobile
by Levent Suberk Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:45 pm

» Medallion 09 Venturi + needle valve assembly
by Grosvince Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:40 pm

Cox Engine of The Month
April-2021
fredvon4's

Finely polished Cox .049 with exhaust collector.




PAST WINNERS
CEF Traveling Engine

Win This Engine!
Forum Store
CEF Ear Savers
Gallery


Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  sosam117 Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:55 am

I know some members know the reason why that you'll need to have a set of JIS, others on the forum may not know?
Having rebuilt almost 100 Enya engines in the last year, it is important to use the correct tools for the right job.

What is JIS? it's the letters for Japan Industrial Standard.
Those pesky screws that started to creep in to the U.S. from the Asian countries. they look like Philip screws (but are not!)

If you tried to use a Philips screwdriver on the screws that look like standard Philips, you strip the head out and the Philips screwdriver doesn't work any more on the screw.
Well, If it came from an Asian country, it probably had JIS screws and not Philips.

Below is a photo of a Philips screw (on the left) and an JIS screw (on the right). Not much difference?
Well you'll be wrong.
The JIS screw has a different angle (smaller) than the Philips (wider).
Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Philip10

The other thing you will notice, if you have a set of JIS screw drivers is also the difference from the Philips screw driver.
The photo below shows the difference.
Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Jis_vs10

The JIS has more of a point and have a better engagement to the screw for a JIS screw than a Philips screwdriver.
So, Use a JIS screwdriver on JIS screws and a Philips screwdriver in Std. Philips screws.

If the Philips screwdriver doesn't feel like it really fits in the screw head try a JIS screwdriver.
sosam117
sosam117
Gold Member
Gold Member

Posts : 402
Join date : 2016-03-23
Location : Suburb of Chicago, Illinois

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Fledgling

Post  Coxfledgling Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:21 pm

Do his screw years have a "dot" on them ?
Coxfledgling
Coxfledgling
Silver Member
Silver Member

Posts : 91
Join date : 2021-01-10

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  layback209 Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:03 pm

Thanks for sharing I did become aware of this nuance a number of years ago rebuilding a old Japanese motorcycle engines. Could not figure out why I was being forced to drill them out. Then learnt about cross point fasteners and all the variations out there. I now use JIS drivers and an impact driver where required.

Sosam117 could I bent your ear on some Enya advice? I have an old 3303 15-III I'm hoping to put back into service. It's a used new to me motor. My plan is to polish the crank clean it good and see if it will sing again. My questions are;

Is the wrist pin a concern if it appears to have moved to one side (see photo). Should I do anything

Advice on needle settings to start? 3 turns out?

Glow plug, os-8 ok for this motor?

Cheers, and sorry to hijack.

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? 20210311
Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? 20210310
Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? 20210312
layback209
layback209
Silver Member
Silver Member

Posts : 98
Join date : 2017-10-13
Age : 35
Location : Okotoks

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  Surfer_kris Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:48 pm

@Coxfledgling wrote:Do his screw years have a "dot" on them ?

Yes, larger JIS screw-heads will have the dot on there for safe recognition, but OS and Enya do not have it on their relatively small screws.
Surfer_kris
Surfer_kris
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 1769
Join date : 2010-11-20
Location : Sweden

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  Oldenginerod Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:23 pm


Are they blood stains from slipping with the incorrect screwdrivers?  lol!
Oldenginerod
Oldenginerod
Top Poster
Top Poster

Posts : 3318
Join date : 2012-06-15
Age : 58
Location : Drouin, Victoria

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  layback209 Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:10 pm


@Oldenginerod wrote: Are they blood stains from slipping with the incorrect screwdrivers?  :lol!



Lol busted 🤣. I did start with the pz then paused and grabbed the JIS. Hoping after run oil will loosen it up.

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? 20210410


layback209
layback209
Silver Member
Silver Member

Posts : 98
Join date : 2017-10-13
Age : 35
Location : Okotoks

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  Ken Cook Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:14 pm

I used a Enya .15 for control line many of times. For starters, you inquired about a OS #8. OS plugs differ from others because their length is in between a long and a short. This can alter the timing on modern engines. This really doesn't impact baffle piston engines as it does modern designs. However, your #8 choice is a medium heat range plug. This is designed for 15% nitro and higher. My preference for stunt fuel is a hot r/c long plug. While the Enya #3 isn't a r/c plug, it's one of the hottest high quality plugs available and I highly recommend that plug for this engine. The engines doesn't demand higher nitro but it will tolerate it just fine. More important is the oil content. Enya recommends 20% all castor. I run 50/50 castor/synthetic in mine despite what other will tell me. It's never ruined any of my engines. If you use a higher oil content such as 25%, the Enya in my experience just shuts off.

The 3303 in a control line version came with 3 sizes of venturis. Knowing which one you have can be helpful. Too large and your compromising fuel draw. Too small and the engine runs to economical and overheats slightly. Propping this engine for control line is important. The go to prop for .15's is a 7x6. Yes, the Enya will swing a 8" but while it's not a barn burner in rpm performance, it still likes to run on the fast side so I like to let it run their with the 7" prop.

The main importance with this engine is seeing to the front case portion staying tight and using a good gasket. If these screws come loose, the engine instantly shuts off. Something to keep in mind because that can drive you crazy if you weren't aware of it. Replacing the o-ring under the venturi lip is of the utmost importance. You should need a little more than finger pressure to squash the venturi down to slip the needle valve body through the case. If you can push it through with finger pressure, it's too loose and vibrations will eat the hole away in the venturi making it wobble and suck air causing poor running and poor needling.

There's no number offered for turns out for a needle valve. Enya made too many variants and it's very simple. You open the needle put your finger over the venturi and pull a choke through. If you see fuel coming up the fuel line begin flipping. The engine is either going to run or not run and decide what you need to do from there. If it's flooding out due to being too rich, close it a turn or two.




Ken Cook
Ken Cook
Top Poster
Top Poster

Posts : 4307
Join date : 2012-03-27
Location : pennsylvania

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  layback209 Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:27 pm

Thanks Ken, really appreciate the advice. This gives me a solid starting point. I had no idea about the venturi gasket and was wondering what to do there. Should be a fun little motor. I'm going to put it on a CL airframe if it bench runs reasonably. I have a strap on muffler, experiment with pressure or uniflow to see what it likes.
layback209
layback209
Silver Member
Silver Member

Posts : 98
Join date : 2017-10-13
Age : 35
Location : Okotoks

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  944_Jim Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:14 pm

PZ...Pozi-drive.

Standard automotive trim screwdriver from early British Auto industry. I have them all over the TR6.


Last edited by 944_Jim on Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:27 pm; edited 1 time in total
944_Jim
944_Jim
Platinum Member
Platinum Member

2019 Supporter

2020 Supporter

2021 Supporter

Posts : 1097
Join date : 2017-02-08
Age : 56
Location : NE MS

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  sosam117 Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:22 pm

@layback209 wrote:Thanks Ken, really appreciate the advice. This gives me a solid starting point. I had no idea about the venturi gasket and was wondering what to do there. Should be a fun little motor. I'm going to put it on a CL airframe if it bench runs reasonably.  I have a strap on muffler, experiment with pressure or uniflow to see what it likes.

Ken is spot on on may of his points.
I fly them as R/C engines and use the standard Enya 3 or the OS 3 glow plug.
The oil content I use is never over 22%
This is what Enya recommends: No. 3 glow plug / Methyl alcohol 70--60% / Nitro 10--20% / Caster oil 20%
For a starting point on the needle valve 1-1/2 --- 2-1/2 turns

Now for the piston wrist pin.
It is suppose to be free to move. Right now, the connecting rod will either be on the front of the crank or the back?
Use some heat ( I use a paint stripper heat gun) to loosen up the gummed up caster oil.
I place the heated piston and rod onto a wooden block ( with a hole drilled in it) and lightly tap on the pin to remove it..
The wooden block has a concave section in it to rest the piston in ( I used a Dremel drum sanding bit to make it)
The pin should drop into the hole and the piston is free. One more thing that I do is make a small mark on the con rod (on one side) to remember which way is the front of the engine. So, when I reassemble it it goes back to the way it was.
The wrist pin has brass pads on the end so the pin doesn't score the cylinder liner.

So, on the rebuild, you'll need a new front gasket between the front housing and the back crankcase.
2nd, don't really reuse those screws. The have been stretched out from the original assembly.
MECOA use to have rebuild kits but are sold out (not by me).
They had everything you needed. New front gasket, screws, prop driver, and venturi gasket.

What I do for the venturi gasket is go to the hardware store and look in the O-ring section for a tight fitting O-ring.
Buy it, take it home then, using a single edge razor cut the O-ring in 1/2 the width that it was (1/8" to 1/16") on a tight fitting wooden dowel. The profile looks like -- flat on top (to fit under the carb.) and the rounded side to the engine's front case.
It works better that the flat "thin" rubber washer you get from Enya.
sosam117
sosam117
Gold Member
Gold Member

Posts : 402
Join date : 2016-03-23
Location : Suburb of Chicago, Illinois

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  Ken Cook Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:13 am

Is your strap on muffler Enya? There was two types of strap on mufflers they used for this engine. Horrible and worse is the way I like to describe them. Horrible has the flipper which when opened allows one to prime through the muffler whereas worse has nothing. The outlet of both absolutely need to be opened up as large as possible. When I fly with the flipper style, I leave it open and I also drilled those holes out larger.

The 3303 uses a web stiffener in the exhaust port in the case. This in my opinion is also causing some obstruction. The liner of the 3303 is very thick and when it doesn't get a chance to run cool, it will start sagging and just seize up and shut off.

The 3304 was offered with a larger head, and no web stiffener in the exhaust port. What I found is that the 3303 likes to run quite rich on take off which is needed later in the flight as the engine begins to lean out. This engine does it far more greater than any engine I've ever experienced. This is why it's important to have the engine run on uniflow to counteract this and offer a steady run from start to finish.

Tank shape is mainly responsible for this as well. A wide wedge is not a good choice. You want longer and narrow to keep the fuel load as close to center of plane as possible.
Ken Cook
Ken Cook
Top Poster
Top Poster

Posts : 4307
Join date : 2012-03-27
Location : pennsylvania

Back to top Go down

Why do you need a JIS screw driver set? Empty Re: Why do you need a JIS screw driver set?

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum