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Post  Upallnight Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:10 am

Just a quick note to say what a super forum and repository for information this site is.  I have been googling around looking for cox engine info and  the searches kept bringing me back to this forum, where I also found out about https://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/cox_bees.htm, which was very helpful to.

I picked up a batch of engines for an out of town nephew, mainly because of an unused OS Max 40 in the lot that he wanted.  But with the rest were a number of vintage Cox engines as well.  That triggered flash backs as I have fond memories of my string controlled PT Trainer and Red Baron planes.  I was more fond of the PT trainer than the Red Baron, as my friends and I had a heck of a time to keep the Baron from looping up and crashing.  The PT was rock steady, though we crashed it enough times to break the firewall a few times.  That happens when 3-4 boys take turns.  I do remember getting grumpy since I had to buy a parts kit to just get a new firewall!  I think the hobby shop guy got tired of getting a hard time about that, but money was tight.

With the forum's assistance, I have taken a stab at the engine IDs.  Appreciate your grading on how I have done here!

My guesses are, top row left to right:
Pee Wee .020
Babe Bee .049
Golden Bee .049
Black Widow .049 but in silver?
Black Widow .049

Going going for a 60% pass rate here! Super forum, I have been reading a lot of threads. Thanks.

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Post  Oldenginerod Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:28 am

Pretty well spot on. Well done. The only variation is the "Silver" black widow. While it's true that there where some all silver Black Widows sold, there was also the "Silver Bee" which was used in the Spitfire. Then again, that may have only had the larger tank fitted rather than a vented stunt tank. Someone else is sure to know.
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Post  Upallnight Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:58 am

Wow, that is interesting. I never noticed the Silver Stunt in my searches. Thanks.
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Post  cstatman Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:34 am

welcome to the addiction. Smile
you won't get hooked, really.

SO? what plane are ya gonna build or buy???? Smile Smile
Will you be restoring those motors??? Smile Smile

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ya older now, ya got the meansd to repair those firewalls --- you NEED a PT Smile Smile
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Post  944_Jim Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:45 pm

cstatman wrote:
you NEED a PT   Smile Smile

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Post  Upallnight Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:56 pm

The PT-19, that's the one, with heroic crew surviving those crashes! @cstatman I am pretty heavy into vintage audio and have a few turntables and receivers waiting attention and rehab, so I am resisting the nostalgia urge right now. I haunt online auctions and estates keeping my eye out for interesting audio gear, and a by-product is spotting stuff for other folks to. Though, I do have a bit of a fountain pen collection as a result. I'll see if there is family/friend interest, and I do a good amount of swapping with folks. Not sure right now, and with the dead of winter on us here, these will likely go on the shelf until spring.
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Post  batjac Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:26 pm

Ah. The fountain pen addiction. Almost as bad as the Cox addiction...

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Post  KariFS Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:12 pm

Hey Upallnight, welcome to the Forum! I think you’ll fit in just fine Very Happy

Here’s a late ’60s - early ’70s Lenco I’ve been tinkering with lately:

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And a little tube amp, not ”old”, I built it from a kit two years ago, but a very traditional design, single ended with EL84’s.
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About your engines, the silver one could be a Black Widow that has missed anodizing. Check if the cylinder has #1 stamped on it. If it has, it’s a Black Widow, as the #1 indicates a high performance cylinder. It’s not a Spitfire engine, because as Rod suspected, the Spitfire one has a long, but unvented fuel tank. It could be a QRC, missing a muffler, as the version installed to different Ready-to-Fly airplanes went unanodized. The separately sold QRC engines had a red fuel tank. Or maybe it’s a Golden Bee without anodizing Huh...

So it could ”bee” just about anything, or maybe someone just swapped the tank for a longer one. A fuel tank kit like that was available for people who wanted to fit a bigger tank on a Babe Bee.

But the most important thing is that it’s another Cox engine saved from the scrap Very Happy

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Post  Upallnight Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:50 pm

Nice Lenco there!  Nice build, those tube kits are tempting!

When I was looking it seemed like the silver one could be a babe with a bigger tank, or a silver widow, and it also fits the stunt as noted earlier.  I will just take it as a Silver Cox Very Happy
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