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crankbndr Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:59 pm
I noticed all of his posts are gone
Last edited by crankbndr on Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:51 am; edited 1 time in total
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balogh Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:39 pm
Yes I also noted with regret, wondering why, because he is a living witness as a former employee of the COX factory in its heydays..
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rsv1cox Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:41 pm
Sads news. Wonder why. Huge insider for Cox parts and triva. Owns many including a Yellow Cox Mercedes.
He has helped me with hard to find parts, mostly for my Cox Mercedes tether cars among others. I have his address both on-line and snail mail, maybe I will drop him a line.
He has helped me with hard to find parts, mostly for my Cox Mercedes tether cars among others. I have his address both on-line and snail mail, maybe I will drop him a line.
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GallopingGhostler Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:49 pm
Not sure why all his posts (some 400?) that were editable had all commenting deleted. Did someone log in as @Mudhen? Does @Admin, @Cribbs74 have any clue?
Those posts locked (no further commenting permitted) still remain, for example:
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t1045-cox-engine-of-the-month-entry-closed#15328
Those posts locked (no further commenting permitted) still remain, for example:
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t1045-cox-engine-of-the-month-entry-closed#15328
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Admin Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:06 am
We noticed that earlier this year. I'm not sure why he did that. It must've taken quite awhile to go through and edit out each post.
Ron exchanged messages with him shortly after we noticed it, and Mudhen simply said he "blabs too much" and wished him well.
So, I'm not sure what was up. No indication that he got in an argument with anyone or was upset over anything on the forum. He never asked to have his account deactivated. I hope he's still alright. It would be nice to hear from him again in the future.
And no, restoring the posts are not possible (so even if he asked to have them restored, it cannot be done).
Ron exchanged messages with him shortly after we noticed it, and Mudhen simply said he "blabs too much" and wished him well.
So, I'm not sure what was up. No indication that he got in an argument with anyone or was upset over anything on the forum. He never asked to have his account deactivated. I hope he's still alright. It would be nice to hear from him again in the future.
And no, restoring the posts are not possible (so even if he asked to have them restored, it cannot be done).
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balogh Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:17 am
[quote="Admin"]...
Ron exchanged messages with him shortly after we noticed it, and Mudhen simply said he "blabs too much" and wished him well.
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His "blabbing " about life at the COX factory was worth a lot to me..I hope he will return and tells us more of what he knows..
Ron exchanged messages with him shortly after we noticed it, and Mudhen simply said he "blabs too much" and wished him well.
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His "blabbing " about life at the COX factory was worth a lot to me..I hope he will return and tells us more of what he knows..
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crankbndr Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:04 am
Much valuable information is lost.....
At least I saved this
At least I saved this
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getback Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:29 pm
that is sad , he is not on here that much but Very useful information that was always correct . 
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sosam117 Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:47 pm
That is sad 
Once Mudhen is gone, all that knowledge will be gone with him.
Like I was fortune enough to talk to my grandmother about how she came over to America from Ireland.
She was "sponsored" by a family here in the USA where she was an indentured servant until she paid off the debt to the "family" that paid for her travel over to the USA.
There is a lot more to this story.
Like, as grandma worked my mom was shipped to different boarding schools because grandma didn't have time to raise my mom so, grandma had her go to boarding schools as my mom grew up. Grandma paid for the boarding schools along with the dept she had to pay the "sponsored" family that brought her over from Ireland.
History like that can be lost if it is not passed on?
Once Mudhen is gone, all that knowledge will be gone with him.
Like I was fortune enough to talk to my grandmother about how she came over to America from Ireland.
She was "sponsored" by a family here in the USA where she was an indentured servant until she paid off the debt to the "family" that paid for her travel over to the USA.
There is a lot more to this story.
Like, as grandma worked my mom was shipped to different boarding schools because grandma didn't have time to raise my mom so, grandma had her go to boarding schools as my mom grew up. Grandma paid for the boarding schools along with the dept she had to pay the "sponsored" family that brought her over from Ireland.
History like that can be lost if it is not passed on?
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GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:40 pm
Yes, history lost. Example, a well documented historical site on Sterling models went offline may be a year ago. It had all sorts of trivia on company history, its models and designers, manufacturing and facilities, tech.
This is a problem with web versus books.
This is a problem with web versus books.
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balogh Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:55 pm
Are we sure that Mudhen is "gone" for good from CEF for any reason, or, he is just silent? With almost 11 years since his registration here, he only had 480 or so posts altogether, maybe he is just taking different pastimes and comes back intermittently.
I am not Facebook enthusiast, but here is a site for Sterling models:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2112064055697000
I am not Facebook enthusiast, but here is a site for Sterling models:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2112064055697000
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GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:46 pm
balogh wrote:I am not Facebook enthusiast, but here is a site for Sterling models:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2112064055697000
Group is private, one must join to see. I deleted
my Fb00k account a year ago, when it turned "woke" 
with its censorship 
of otherwise decent comments. 
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KariFS Thu Jun 09, 2022 4:10 pm
balogh wrote:Are we sure that Mudhen is "gone" for good from CEF for any reason, or, he is just silent? With almost 11 years since his registration here, he only had 480 or so posts altogether, maybe he is just taking different pastimes and comes back intermittently.
I am not Facebook enthusiast, but here is a site for Sterling models:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2112064055697000
Deleting his posts would indicate he had the intention to ”stay gone”. Editing one post to only contain ” . ” may happen unintentionally, but editing 400+ posts takes some time. A hiatus is one thing, deleting one’s posts is another.
In any case, I hope everything is ok with him.
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944_Jim Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:56 pm
GallopingGhostler wrote:Yes, history lost. Example, a well documented historical site on Sterling models went offline may be a year ago. It had all sorts of trivia on company history, its models and designers, manufacturing and facilities, tech.
This is a problem with web versus books.
The Wayback Machine may have taken partial backups/snapshots of that old Sterling site.
I find jumping between different snapshot times may provide different data sets for a given site.
https://web.archive.org/web/2016*/http://home.mindspring.com/~jeff.coons/vintagesterlingmodels/
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GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:56 pm
944_Jim wrote:The Wayback Machine may have taken partial backups/snapshots of that old Sterling site. I find jumping between different snapshot times may provide different data sets for a given site.
https://web.archive.org/web/2016*/http://home.mindspring.com/~jeff.coons/vintagesterlingmodels/
Thanks, Jim.
Inasmuch as one may be able to glean some useful info from them, unfortunately the capture process is not perfect, may be captures 50 to 75%, IMO. 
I had a nice, detailed motorcycle repairs and travels blog maintained on Geocities. They sent me notice, then discontinued all free (or otherwise?) Geocities account content about 8 years ago.
The Wayback missed links to my other Geocities pages, capturing may be 30%.Photobucket discontinued all free accounts about 6 years ago, which broke a lot of older reference pages, even posts here in CEF.
This is why I like to scan and upload photos of book pages, (or locate on the 'net) because they are invaluable to me. Those who purchased the last of the Cox Compendium are indeed blessed, occasionally I see users post clips from their book to help clarify missing bits of history, and engine details not easily found elsewhere.
Going back to Mudhens, just a word of kind advice in general, not point fingers to any particular individual.
I consider these knowledgeable ones as elders most worthy of respect. We need to make sure when we post, that we carefully consider their information and advice. If there is any discrepancy or disagreement, to respectfully discuss why with substantiating evidence in a kind manner, so we gain their respect and don't offend them. 
(If possibly controversial, we can consider sending a PM to them first to clear any misunderstandings or for further clarification or ask for phone number and call, prior to on-line reply. This way, we don't embarrass them in public.) 
As time goes, they are indeed a fading source. 
Captured page from defunct Flame Warriors blog by gifted artist and humorist "Ent", Mike Reed
These including Mudhens are our CEF
Ents. 
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rsv1cox Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:48 pm
Perhaps Brian was caught in the "Internet is written in ink, not pencil" conundrum and someone took exception to something he wrote and contacted him about it. "Blabs too much" and deleting all of his posts. A possible explanation.
Doesn't matter, I hold him in high regard.
Doesn't matter, I hold him in high regard.
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balogh Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:40 pm
What is this COX Compendium that George refers to? Is that Dan Sitter's COX Model Engine Handbook?
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GallopingGhostler Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:32 am
I think Bob, you may be closer to the truth. Problem in these model airplane forums is although many are respectful, all it takes is one or two to troll someone. I have seen this to include the now gone Stuka Stunt and on Stunt Hangar. Brian spoke of his personal experiences being an actual employee of the company and intimate with its products during the time he was employed there. He was not infallible but very sincere. Unfortunately, some people rather than keying on the strength of his experiences and knowledge, may have considered his humble sincerity as a weakness. (Remember the movie, Idiocrasyrsv1cox wrote:Perhaps Brian was caught in the "Internet is written in ink, not pencil" conundrum and someone took exception to something he wrote and contacted him about it. "Blabs too much" and deleting all of his posts. A possible explanation. Doesn't matter, I hold him in high regard.
)There was a 2002 UK Hyphenation blog by Dave Thorp, with a detailed explanation on trolling, but is no longer available (domain for sale) except through the Wayback machine. It was geared toward the Usenet, which was originally designed for college level academics to communicate on, who more or less had manners and overall respect for each other. When it was opened up to the world, it did not have sufficient checks and became a trolling haven.
However, Dave did have a few key points that might explain why people do this nefarious activity. I have hidden the text in a spoiler for those who prefer not to read.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050209093630/hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
- Subject 6. Why do they do it?:
No one knows why the Trolls act as they do, but there are several theories. Clearly an individual Troll may be in one, or several of these groups, or indeed in none at all. It is difficult to believe, but possible, that a totally normal person would become a Troll.
Subject: 6.1 The Infant or Attention Seeker theory
Some believe that the trolls are just adults who brains and morals have not developed beyond childhood, and they are just behaving as attention seeking children.
Subject: 6.2 The retired bitter old person theory.
There is evidence that some Trolls are retired persons, with a good pension and little to do with their lives. They may have suffered a personal loss such as the death of a much loved spouse which warped their outlook on life.
This type is particularly dangerous, because they may have ample funds to buy computer equipment, own multiple domain names, and multiple access to the internet. Worse they may have, say 8 hour per day to invest in their "hobby".
Subject: 6.3 The insane person theory.
Some Trolls may be clinically insane, indeed one posts as Mogadon John which may indicate that he/she is taking this *major* tranquiliser, or it may just be a joke.
Subject: 6.4 The just evil theory.
There are people in this world who enjoy destruction. Some enjoy murdering children. Some enjoy sexually abusing children. Some Trolls may be in a similar category.
Subject: 6.5 The sad git theory.
There are unfortunately people with such restricted lives that they cannot think of anything useful or constructive to do with the powerful and expensive kit which they are using.
Subject: 6.6 The loser theory.
This theory is that the Trolls are just losers who cannot succeed in anything in their real lives. They can however disrupt usenet with relative impunity.
It is Andras, thanks for clarifying.balogh wrote:What is this COX Compendium that George refers to? Is that Dan Sitter's COX Model Engine Handbook?
Because I don't have, couldn't remember his name. 
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balogh Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:30 am
Thank you George for clarifying...too bad, I have that book, but was hoping there was another detailed COX literature that I had not read and should therefore find.
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GallopingGhostler Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:32 pm
Anyone know what happened to @Mark Boesen? His last post was Jan 1, 2022 with engine-of-the-month entry, won it Jan 10 with his Twin Needle Thermal Hopper with a Cage Mount.
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rsv1cox Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:07 pm
GallopingGhostler wrote:Anyone know what happened to @Mark Boesen? His last post was Jan 1, 2022 with engine-of-the-month entry, won it Jan 10 with his Twin Needle Thermal Hopper with a Cage Mount.
My son is on his Facebook page which he says is quite active along with his forum.
But reminds me, Brian told me that he was writing a book about his time at Cox with emphasis on the Cox Mercedes. I fed him some of my experiences with them, but don't know whatever became of it. Fascinating that Cox Mercedes.
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GallopingGhostler Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:35 pm
I didn't know Mark was a Cox employee also.
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