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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:20 pm

So our best topics today are one about fart glow fuel and geneaology.

So how about this, whoever has em or thinks they have em. Post pics of your first year production engines.

What I am looking for is a reference guide so old and new members can look at it and easily date their engines. So post em! And put a blurb in the post so folks can see why it's different.

If we do one thread for each era ie, early engines, mid model pre Estes and Estes maybe even post Estes. Then when we have an example of each engine maybe Jacob will sticky it......

Here we go! Bee's TD's all sizes.

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Post  altidsulten on Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:59 pm

Hoppers and Bugs, i guess??
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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:06 pm

altidsulten wrote:Hoppers and Bugs, i guess??

Especially Hoppers and Bugs!

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Post  John Goddard on Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:57 pm

Great Idea Ron. How about we include Magazine Ads and the like which can be dated?
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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:04 pm

John Goddard wrote:Great Idea Ron. How about we include Magazine Ads and the like which can be dated?
Cool

Sounds good to me except I am not sure if we would be taking up too much room. Maybe a moderator could chime in or Admin.
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Post  RknRusty on Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:41 pm

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John Goddard wrote:Great Idea Ron. How about we include Magazine Ads and the like which can be dated?
Cool

Sounds good to me except I am not sure if we would be taking up too much room. Maybe a moderator could chime in or Admin.
We can't tell you. Jacob will have to answer that.

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Post  Admin on Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:58 pm

RknRusty wrote:
cribbs74 wrote:
John Goddard wrote:Great Idea Ron. How about we include Magazine Ads and the like which can be dated?
Cool

Sounds good to me except I am not sure if we would be taking up too much room. Maybe a moderator could chime in or Admin.
We can't tell you. Jacob will have to answer that.

Do you mean something like the gallery only for articles and ads? I will see if there is something I can do, I am limited to what forumotion lets me do.

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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:37 pm

Ok sorry,

I was thinking of an engine ID thread that would cover all engines from beginning to end.

This thread was the early engine thread first generation Cox.

The purpose is so when someone finds or purchases an engine they will be able to use the thread as a reference.

I would like to have a thread for each generation or configuration of Cox engine.
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Post  Admin on Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:45 pm

cribbs74 wrote:Ok sorry,

I was thinking of an engine ID thread that would cover all engines from beginning to end.

This thread was the early engine thread first generation Cox.

The purpose is so when someone finds or purchases an engine they will be able to use the thread as a reference.

I would like to have a thread for each generation or configuration of Cox engine.


Oh, I can always make new forum sections!

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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:21 pm

Sure,

That would be fine. This will only work if we have max participation so If only John boy and myself and Rusty like it then perhaps it wasn't such a grand idea.

I am almost positive that collectively as a group we have every engine Cox ever made. So it is possible to do this. I am tired of going this way and that way on the internet trying to find what years a TD .020 had a step cylinder for example.

This is a Cox engine forum right? One stop shopping is what I'm after.

We have the knowledge and the engines let's get it documented.

If I am alone in this then just say so. Of course I ask all this with your permission Jacob.
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Post  RknRusty on Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:52 pm

I think it sounds like a great resource. I don't know if I have the knowledge to help much, but after a few people contribute, maybe I'll get on a roll.

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Post  Cribbs74 on Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:09 pm

RknRusty wrote:I think it sounds like a great resource. I don't know if I have the knowledge to help much, but after a few people contribute, maybe I'll get on a roll.

That's the beauty of it. You see, we all know a little something so even small contributions will help the overall big picture.

Imagine pictures of each and every variation of a black widow from 1973-2006 with an explanation of each.

I realize it's a huge undertaking but, over a period of time we could build the biggest Cox engine database ever. Sure there are books but, they are usually generalizations. With a living Database we could make changes as new info is provided.

Like someone has a NIB black widow that came with a green rubber spinner or something like that.........one off's and special stuff.



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Post  Cribbs74 on Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:25 am

Here is an example of what I was thinking. The info may be incorrect as I am not sure of all the details years etc.

Pee Wee .020 1957-????

This Pee Wee is an example of a first year production or first generation .020 pee wee notice the absense of any marking on the fuel tank and backplate

There is no protective screen over the venturi hole and no 'Cox" or "made in U.S.A." cast into the backplate also the Tank does not have the "Thimble Drome" script.

The taper in the crankcase is very pronounced which is indicative of an early engine. The cylinder is a dual bypass straight cylinder. Also the drive plate is smaller than in later years.

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Post  gcb on Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:39 am

Backing up a bit, the first Cox engine was the control-line Space Bug in 1952:
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A few months later the FF version called Thermal Hopper appeared:
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Next was the Space Bug Junior:
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All of these were much harder to mount than later engines. A hole needed to be drilled in the firewall for the intake. There was a mounting "cage" for the Thermal Hopper but I never had one.

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Post  mitchg95 on Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:11 pm

I have a peewee .020 that id am wondering how old it is, it looks almost the same as the peewee in Cribbs post. The difference is that on the red has tank on mine has *thimble drome* inscribed on it
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Post  gcb on Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:03 pm

mitchg95 wrote:I have a peewee .020 that id am wondering how old it is, it looks almost the same as the peewee in Cribbs post. The difference is that on the red has tank on mine has *thimble drome* inscribed on it

I bought this one new when they first came out. For size reference, that is a Olympic .15 starter spring.

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Post  microflitedude on Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:05 pm

I had one with no lettering on the backplate, no Cox on the back either. Thinnest neck crankcase, thin-walled cylinder, and early knurled glow head.

I also have a silver one with no venturi screen.
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Post  gcb on Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:32 pm

Neither my Pee Wee .020 (1957) nor my first Babe Bee .049 (1956) had lettering on the tank. I THINK that may have been added in the sixties.

I have one of the Pee Wee's with the aluminum tank that is in a Lil Stinker that a friend gave me in the mid seventies. I have no idea if the bubble-packed ones came that way. Anyone know?

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Post  John Goddard on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:35 pm

I think we all have more info than we probably realise.
For example most of the late 80's early 90's boxes have a date stamped in them.
Some boxes include leaflets etc.
But also some of the accepted 'facts' just ain't fact.
To put the cat amongst the pigeons we all 'know' the Texaco came with a 5 fin head right?
Well here's a leaflet from 1992 (sorry it's a photo cos I don't got no scanner) but you get
the picture.........!

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Post  Cribbs74 on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:39 pm

Yeah,

The first issue Texaco's had the the 3 fin head the five came out in '96?
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Post  WingingIt74 on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Considering how many engines there are, would it be wise to split it up and do a topic per engine? I kinda did that with the Texaco a month ago.

http://coxengineforum.forumakers.com/t1506-cox-texaco?highlight=texaco
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Post  Big Al on Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:48 am

John, what is that strange cylindrical object in the .010 pic?
John Goddard wrote:I think we all have more info than we probably realise.
For example most of the late 80's early 90's boxes have a date stamped in them.
Some boxes include leaflets etc.
But also some of the accepted 'facts' just ain't fact.
To put the cat amongst the pigeons we all 'know' the Texaco came with a 5 fin head right?
Well here's a leaflet from 1992 (sorry it's a photo cos I don't got no scanner) but you get
the picture.........!

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Post  John Goddard on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:11 am

I'm not entirely sure Al, I think it's a household fuse
To give a sense of scale.
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Post  John Goddard on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:48 am

WingingIt74 wrote:Considering how many engines there are, would it be wise to split it up and do a topic per engine? I kinda did that with the Texaco a month ago.

http://coxengineforum.forumakers.com/t1506-cox-texaco?highlight=texaco

But looking through that Travis I don't think there was a single verifiable
Fact.
Most of the 'facts' people repeat come from 3 websites which IMHO
Are at best a rough guide. In the Texaco thread there are lots of pictures
Of the engine in boxes but not one single date stamp.
What I'd propose is we have section listing engines but instead of pictures with
Comments from 'facts' only have dated mag articles or ads, box dates, till receipts
Or invoices. Apart from Wilfs dated articles I've not seen anything on
this site that would be peer reviewed in a serious study.
I think we have a great opportunity to have THE definitive reference library.
Here we go with the first verifiable fact....
In 1992 Texaco's were produced with a 3 fin head see above
Leaflet photo.
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Post  WingingIt74 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:39 am

It was kinda the direction I wanted to take that thread.
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