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Post  Kim on Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:44 am

While it's a nearly impossible call to make (at least for me), my favorite, all-time Walt Musciano/Scientific kit is "Big Otto". It was the first "built-up wing" model I glued together as a 12-year-old kid.

I'd go onto build other Scientific kits, swapping my hard working "America's Hobby Center" Babe Bee across several airframes but, while the sheet-wing types were great, once the engine died, their glide to landing often left a lot to be desired.

When "Big Otto" ran out of fuel, you were rewarded with a graceful glide to a (with practice) gentle touch and roll-out on it's single main wheel.

Almost ten years ago, I built a replica Big Otto from a plan sheet I ordered from Mr Musciano himself. I also built a 10% larger "Big-Big Otto" and powered it with a TeeDee .049. Both planes fly great on 35" lines, and let me take a quick flashback to my youth with each engine start.


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Through his great line of affordable kits, Mr. Musciano's allowed a lot of kids to get their first taste of building success, and offered a primer for the more complex airplanes to come. One of my heroes in this hobby.
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Post  Cz10 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:37 am

OK, I'll ask the same question I asked in another post.

I assume you are aware of the article that was in Half A Magazine that Blackhawk Models is putting out?

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1469802

The first issue had a very nice story on Walt. The second issue had one on John Frisoli - "The man behind Sceintific Models" and the third a story on Roy Cox.

While I had heard the name Walt Musciano and knew of Scientific and of course L.M. Cox, I knew nothing of the men themselves. All interesting, worthwhile reads.

I was not into Walt's flying logs because as you pointed out, that was how they flew. I was building planes with built-up wings (baby Ringmasters and Flite Streaks) and only tried one of Walt's designs - a Fireball as I recall that I think met an eventual end that met it's name in an experiment to see if we could get a plane on fire to fly.
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Post  SuperDave on Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:26 am

My only concern with MOST Musiano kits today is the "Hollow log" fuselages which require extentive sanding and time-consuming preparation not suitable for the impatient such as kids.

Better suited is a "profile" model which goes together much more quickly with far less effort. The end result may be the same but I seriously doubt if a kid would appreciate the difference.

Having taught MANY kids to fly myself I know that of which I write.

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Post  Kim on Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:46 am

Cz10 wrote:OK, I'll ask the same question I asked in another post.

I assume you are aware of the article that was in Half A Magazine that Blackhawk Models is putting out?

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1469802

The first issue had a very nice story on Walt. The second issue had one on John Frisoli - "The man behind Sceintific Models" and the third a story on Roy Cox.

While I had heard the name Walt Musciano and knew of Scientific and of course L.M. Cox, I knew nothing of the men themselves. All interesting, worthwhile reads.

I was not into Walt's flying logs because as you pointed out, that was how they flew. I was building planes with built-up wings (baby Ringmasters and Flite Streaks) and only tried one of Walt's designs - a Fireball as I recall that I think met an eventual end that met it's name in an experiment to see if we could get a plane on fire to fly.

Hey CZ,

Nope, either missed your post or didn't have it sink in...but will check it out.

Yeah, I had no idea who Mr. Musciano was when my uncle got me started flying in 1967/68. What caught my attention were the full and half/page Scientific adds, showcasing great looking model planes that where within striking distance of my lawn mowing/GRIT selling budget.

After building a "Zig Zag", which was nearly impossible to land with any dignity, I stayed with the built-up wing models, and cranked out "Big Otto", "Zipper", and the "Sizzilin' Liz" mustang.

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Some others of the sheet wing variety did fly and glide somewhat well. I built one of Riley Wooten's "Lil Bat" 1/2Acombat wings for the specific purpose of teaching myself inverted flight (wanted to spare my nicer models), and it served well, living a fairly long life.

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Thanks again for the site address...will check it out.
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Post  Kim on Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:45 pm

SuperDave wrote:My only concern with MOST Musiano kits today is the "Hollow log" fuselages which require extentive sanding and time-consuming preparation not suitable for the impatient such as kids.

Better suited is a "profile" model which goes together much more quickly with far less effort. The end result may be the same but I seriously doubt if a kid would appreciate the difference.

Having taught MANY kids to fly myself I know that of which I write.

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Actually,

The Black Hawk Models are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing as a profile model...glue the fuse to the wing, glue the tailfeathers to the fuse, paint it, chuck on the controls and engine and it's action time!

The folks at Black Hawk do a pretty good job, so the log fuselage just takes some light sanding, certainly no more than a profile model, and the engine mount is even easier because you just glue it to the front of the block...no triangle stock or other bracing to install. AND...they carry pilots!

Of course, it's a personal preference thing, so whatever someone likes...

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Post  Cz10 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:10 pm

I have this kit

http://www.blackhawkmodels.com/cyclone.html

To get the raw fuselage to something resembling this

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Is going to take a bit of shaping.


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Post  Kim on Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:23 pm

Oh to be sure...and that IS a beautiful model...but to take one of their kits from box to Ballpark Bug Killer, all you really need is a sheet of fine sandpaper, glue, and some form of fuel proofing.

Doubt my Golden Hawk or Stunt Trainer will be that pretty...but they WILL be fun!
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Post  Cz10 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:37 pm

I have an unopened Golden Hawk that I got at the same time as the Cyclone...


I am thinking a spindle sander ought to be the ticket for shaping.


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Post  Kim on Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:52 pm

Hey, whatever works !
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Post  Cz10 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:06 pm

BTW - thanks for the MAN scans. I remember pouring over the AHC adds to see what was new and wishing I had a big budget.
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Post  Kim on Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:12 pm

You're welcome. I've collected almost all of the magazines my uncle gave me from late 67' through 71'...and I STILL like looking thru these ads and remembering the feeling...
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Post  Mark Boesen on Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:57 pm

Hi Kim,

Neat post! The only one I ever built was the TriPacer, I remeber it flew ok, it was pretty fast, splatted it after several flights. I remember thinking the 'built-up' fuselage was neat. My favorite 1/2a kit was the Sterling P-51


-My only concern with MOST Musiano kits today is the "Hollow log" fuselages which require extentive sanding and time-consuming preparation not suitable for the impatient such as kids.

Better suited is a "profile" model which goes together much more quickly with far less effort. The end result may be the same but I seriously doubt if a kid would appreciate the difference.

Having taught MANY kids to fly myself I know that of which I write.


Sanding, whats that? We don't need so stinking sandpaper...just keep adding dope, lol! I remember as a young kid building those kits in a evening so I could go flying the next day. I don't think we even thought of sanding.

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Post  Kim on Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:26 am

Mark Boesen wrote:Hi Kim,

Neat post! The only one I ever built was the TriPacer, I remeber it flew ok, it was pretty fast, splatted it after several flights. I remember thinking the 'built-up' fuselage was neat. My favorite 1/2a kit was the Sterling P-51


-My only concern with MOST Musiano kits today is the "Hollow log" fuselages which require extentive sanding and time-consuming preparation not suitable for the impatient such as kids.

Better suited is a "profile" model which goes together much more quickly with far less effort. The end result may be the same but I seriously doubt if a kid would appreciate the difference.

Having taught MANY kids to fly myself I know that of which I write.


Sanding, whats that? We don't need so stinking sandpaper...just keep adding dope, lol! I remember as a young kid building those kits in a evening so I could go flying the next day. I don't think we even thought of sanding.

Mark


Hey Mark!

Yes! I lived that life! Rough wood, wrinkled silkspan, dirt chewing little engines, layers of that strange putty composed of infield dirt and fuel, and still, somehow the things flew!

And now, there's even an aerodynamic term for a REALLY rough finish..."TURBULATION" !

Turns out, at the tender age of 13, I was an Aerospace Engineer, and didn't know it!
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