Cox Engines Forum
You are not logged in! Please login or register! Guests are limited to posting in the "General Questions (Guest Posting Allowed)" section only. Becoming a member is fast, easy and FREE!


1/2a Build Suggestions Babe_b10
Log in

I forgot my password

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» I paid too much, I'm sure
by Admin Today at 2:12 am

» S.M.A.L.L. 30th Anniversary - Mayflower, Arkansas (Oct. 10-13, 2019)
by Cribbs74 Yesterday at 8:51 pm

» Power Panel
by 944_Jim Yesterday at 8:36 pm

» 3D printed beam mount .049 backplate
by 944_Jim Yesterday at 8:26 pm

» Don't see this too often...
by DrCox Yesterday at 6:55 pm

» Ringmaster maiden flight
by oldguy Yesterday at 6:22 pm

» Happy Birthday Oldenginerod
by getback Yesterday at 5:30 pm

» TD 51 RC Carb Installation?
by balogh Yesterday at 5:19 pm

» Cox Spyder/ Queen Bee 074
by bilchiri Yesterday at 1:51 pm

» PT19 Rebuild Project
by 944_Jim Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:31 pm

Cox Engine of The Month
October-2019
colibriguitars's

Dieselized .049 with no Teflon disk or o-rings.

More info on this engine!



PAST WINNERS
CEF Traveling Engine

Win This Engine!
The Traveling Prop
Gallery


1/2a Build Suggestions Empty
World of Aviation

1/2a Build Suggestions

Page 1 of 2 1, 2  Next

Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:48 pm

Hello Everyone. I have just finished my 2nd scratch build and am looking for my next project. I was looking for either a Control line built up wing stunter/combat (can either be a wing or one with a fuse) for .049 or a RC glider for .049. Totally opposite planes but both really catch my attention. Definitely plans. I cannot afford most of the kits out there. Unless someone has one they are willing to part with cheap.

Now I know that someone will post the ringmaster. That one is on the list of possibilities. The biplane version is the one I really liked.

Rolla
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  gcb on Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:09 pm

For which engine(s)?

For example, some CL built-up wing stunters work well with a TD but would be too large for most reedies. OTOH, some designed for a reedie would be way over powered by a TD.

George
gcb
gcb
Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Posts : 908
Join date : 2011-08-11
Location : Port Ewen, NY

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:01 pm

Rotary or reedie will work.
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Ivanhoe on Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:03 am

C/L
Baby Flite Streak
Lil' Jumpin' Bean
Lil' Satan

When you say "Glider for .049" are we talking your actual glider with power assist, or simply an R/C model for .049? Two very different beasties, so more detail would help with suggestions

(I have plans for all the above, and dozens of R/C in .pdf if you need them)

Wilf
Ivanhoe
Ivanhoe
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 1752
Join date : 2011-09-30
Location : Northern Ireland

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:16 am

I would like an actual RC Powered glider. Something to take up high and fight back down. Can you send me those CL plans?

Rolla
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  andrew on Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:29 am

Rolla -

There are several candidates in the powered catagory. The Bird of Time that Kim flies is a good powered glider, but the wing construction is a little more complicated. Many of his videos have been taken from this plane; it's stable and a good floater, but it is a larger plane.

A second option is the Goldberg Gentle Lady. This is somewhat of a classic and can be powered using a wing mounted power pod or a nose mounted motor. I do not have one, but have flown both the Hi-start version and with a powerpod. It is also a large plane (78" span), but a little easier to build than the BOT.

Next is a 2x4. This is smaller, 50" span, and has a constant chord wing. It can be powered with a nose mounted motor. This would work nicely with a folding prop and would be a good plane to fly a climb and glide pattern.

Another choice is a Super Turkey. It's bigger than the 2x4 with a 72" span, but uses a Jedelsky style airfoil and is probably the simplest to build. You could use a powerpod or a nose mount with a folder.

1/2a Build Suggestions Gentle10

1/2a Build Suggestions 2_x_4_10

1/2a Build Suggestions Super_10

1/2a Build Suggestions Gentle11
andrew
andrew
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 1251
Join date : 2011-08-11
Age : 71
Location : Western Kentucky

http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/POWERSUPPLY.HTM

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:53 am

I like the Gentle Lady. Very nice looking. I did not quite realize how large they would be. I have only flown a Sportavia with .049.

Anyone else with CL options?
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  andrew on Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:15 am

I've seen a Gentle Lady fly with a TD .049. Climb outs were slow, but it would get to altitude.

Here are a couple of other C/L sites:

http://www.thunderbirds.org.au/12a_plans.html

http://www.outerzone.co.uk/browse_plans/index.asp

http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/cl_planes.htm

You must be registered with Hip Pocket to access and download plans from the gallery.
andrew
andrew
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 1251
Join date : 2011-08-11
Age : 71
Location : Western Kentucky

http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/POWERSUPPLY.HTM

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Kim on Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:33 am

Here's an instruction sheet for Walt Musciano's "Big Otto". It's an excellent, easy to build flyer, and you could size it up 10% for a Tee Dee while still using the same wood thicknesses. It would be a good idea to make the fins from light ply, as both my "Ottos" needed butt-weight to balance due to their long snouts.

I can get you rib-spacing measurements if you decide to build it.

1/2a Build Suggestions Big_ot13

1/2a Build Suggestions Big_ot12

Kim
Kim
Top Poster
Top Poster

2019 Supporter

Posts : 6734
Join date : 2011-09-06
Location : South East Missouri

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Kim on Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:40 am

andrew wrote:I've seen a Gentle Lady fly with a TD .049. Climb outs were slow, but it would get to altitude.

Here are a couple of other C/L sites:

http://www.thunderbirds.org.au/12a_plans.html

http://www.outerzone.co.uk/browse_plans/index.asp

http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/cl_planes.htm

You must be registered with Hip Pocket to access and download plans from the gallery.

Dave Thrornburg also highly recommends the Gentle Lady as a fine Handlaunch Glider. You simply make a reinforced finger hole against the bulkhead closest to the C.G. and hurl the thing !
Kim
Kim
Top Poster
Top Poster

2019 Supporter

Posts : 6734
Join date : 2011-09-06
Location : South East Missouri

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:46 am

With that long of a nose how well does the Big Otto loop? Did you ever find your Combat Kitten plans?

Truthfully, at this point, I should probably build a simpler plane if it will be RC as I have yet to build one of them (from scratch) as of yet. I do like they way the gentle lady looks. Whenever I fly the Sportavia I do not take it up higher and higher. I just kinda laze around in a circle, occasionally diving down and gliding back up.
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Kim on Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:50 am

Godsey3.0 wrote:With that long of a nose how well does the Big Otto loop? Did you ever find your Combat Kitten plans?

Truthfully, at this point, I should probably build a simpler plane if it will be RC as I have yet to build one of them (from scratch) as of yet. I do like they way the gentle lady looks. Whenever I fly the Sportavia I do not take it up higher and higher. I just kinda laze around in a circle, occasionally diving down and gliding back up.

Yes, it'll do horizontal 8's all day long. It's all about having the C.G. where it belongs. I'm still looking for the Kitten plans, but Otto would also be an excellent and easy build.
Kim
Kim
Top Poster
Top Poster

2019 Supporter

Posts : 6734
Join date : 2011-09-06
Location : South East Missouri

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:55 am

That is one of the stunts I have yet to try. That and an outside loop. I have done an outside loop while inverted but that is it. I do not like the idea of my plane going straight towards the ground. I realize it does in loops and stuff. Just freaks me out.
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  andrew on Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:41 am

OK, here's another C/L with simple fuselage. I've flown a couple of these into oblivion --- not crashed, but literally worn out. It can be built with either a flat firewall (reedy) or with beams (rotary). I flew with reedys only.

For an R/C choice, the 2x4 would give you experience in a slightly more complicated plane, but not be too large or too difficult for a second or third scratch build. With the nose mounted motor, it should fly much like your Sportavia.

1/2a Build Suggestions Minimu10
andrew
andrew
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 1251
Join date : 2011-08-11
Age : 71
Location : Western Kentucky

http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/POWERSUPPLY.HTM

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:48 am

I remember seeing that plan here. ( http://www.thunderbirds.org.au/12a_plans.html ). I have built "George". I have never built a CL plane with a open fuse. I have always done profile. I will look into that one.

Edit: Just realized you already posted that link.


Last edited by Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:49 am; edited 1 time in total
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Kim on Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:48 am

Godsey3.0 wrote:That is one of the stunts I have yet to try. That and an outside loop. I have done an outside loop while inverted but that is it. I do not like the idea of my plane going straight towards the ground. I realize it does in loops and stuff. Just freaks me out.

I'm very familiar with that feeling! What you have going for you is the fact that you know that it WILL pull an outside loop, and there is a simple way to "cheat" and insure that you'll have enough room at the bottom to do it right-side-up:

Bring the plane around at shoulder height, then pull a hard positive up to 60 degrees or so. This bleeds a lot of speed off. At 60 degrees, dump in you down elevator and hold it there 'till completion of the maneuver. After you've done this several times, you'll begin to develop a "FEEL" for what the plane does with negative input, and you'll soon be able to trim everything closer and closer with no harm to the plane.

This all assuming, of course that you've got a good running engine that will keep running. Also, once started, you can't back out, the way you might with upright positive pulls...but that's a given!
Kim
Kim
Top Poster
Top Poster

2019 Supporter

Posts : 6734
Join date : 2011-09-06
Location : South East Missouri

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  SuperDave on Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:22 am

Rolla:

From my recently completed Brodak "Baby Ringmaster" ($35) I have the plans and laser-cut patterns to make another. I offer to LOAN them too you provided you pay the postage both ways and assure me that they will be returned.

Frankly, this kit can't be duplicated for $35. If you had these items on hand you'd still need the hardware and materials which would well exceed $35. Also my patterns are for a beam and not radial mount.
SuperDave
SuperDave
Rest In Peace
Rest In Peace

Posts : 3552
Join date : 2011-08-13
Location : Washington (state)

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:28 am

I really appreciate that Dave. But I worry about messing them up. Thank you for the offer.

Rolla
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:24 pm

What about sport RC planes? Is the DNU a good flyer? Also willing to build flat wing CL Stunt planes. Just about willing to build anything at this point. Insomnia keeps me up late and gets me up early. Need something to do besides crappy Television.
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  SuperDave on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:29 pm

Slab (flat-wing) planes don't fly nearly as well as built-up wing planes. Slab-wing planes are, at best, trainers and nothing more than that.

Why? The airfoil found on built-up wings.
SuperDave
SuperDave
Rest In Peace
Rest In Peace

Posts : 3552
Join date : 2011-08-13
Location : Washington (state)

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  andrew on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:33 pm

Godsey3.0 wrote:What about sport RC planes? Is the DNU a good flyer?

The DNU is an outstanding little flyer, but quick and agile. Depending on your R/C experience, it can range from a hoot to a handful.

It's an easy build, inexpensive and small enough to be carried anywhere.
andrew
andrew
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 1251
Join date : 2011-08-11
Age : 71
Location : Western Kentucky

http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/POWERSUPPLY.HTM

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:34 pm

That is why I wanted a built up wing originally. I have had so little to do lately I am willing to do most builds now that are in my ability.
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  fit90 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:48 pm

I can vouch for the DNU. It is a solid little plane that is also an easy and fun build. It would be a mild flyer with a mild engine or a rocket ship with a hot engine. I fly mine with a pressurized hot rod reedie and it is a fun litltle rocket.

Good luck and enjoy what ever you decide to go with.

Bob
fit90
fit90
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 1300
Join date : 2011-08-11
Location : Naples, Florida

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Godsey3.0 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:21 pm

I now know I want a sport RC model. Man, I change my mind quick Very Happy .
Godsey3.0
Godsey3.0
Moderator

Posts : 970
Join date : 2011-09-21
Age : 24
Location : Metamora, Indiana

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  SuperDave on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:03 am

Godsey:

And the "thickness" of your wallet seems to expand as well. Laughing
SuperDave
SuperDave
Rest In Peace
Rest In Peace

Posts : 3552
Join date : 2011-08-13
Location : Washington (state)

Back to top Go down

1/2a Build Suggestions Empty Re: 1/2a Build Suggestions

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 2 1, 2  Next

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum