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Post  craig bernard on Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:54 pm

hello does anyone know if they made a golden bee with brass back plate gold large tank and front crankcase regular aluminum. If so anyone know aprox year they did this.
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Post  jsesere on Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:12 am

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Post  Admin on Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:00 am

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Are you thinking of something like this? Or by "regular crankcase" are you thinking about the later thicker neck ones (vs. the narrow neck one in the picture above).

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Post  SuperDave on Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:19 am

First off a GENUINE GB has BOTH a gold crankcase and tank therefore the engine pictured has probably had a gold tank attached as an afterthough. Gold tanks are available from the vendors.

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Post  Cribbs74 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:26 am

The picture that Admin posted was taken off of Martin's site. It is listed as genuine as some left the factory that way. Reason being that anodizing was outsourced.

This is the problem with collecting Cox engines... Nearly everything is interchangeable and nothing is serialized. So unless it is NIB or NIP then one has to assume it could have been altered along the way.

That being said, if you plan on collecting then you will have to assume the risk.

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Post  Mark Boesen on Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:50 am

I was planning on doing some research, going thru my notes as I hate to post something half A., lol, 1/2A!

Dave, for a period (mid seventies) due to anodizing issues of getting the same shade of gold color on tank and case, the Golden Bee was issued with a black tank and I believe the gold tank & non anodized case, like the engine in question. I think I remember Dan Sitter saying the gold/silver combo was never offered and I think Mudhen thought it was?
I don't think I've ever seen the silver/gold NIB, but I've seen many, many used examples, could they all been 'converted' yes, they could of been, but as many as I've seen, I don't think so. This also kills any value, as they might be somewhat rare, but because they can be swapped so easy they're on worth what a equal value all gold or black/gold would be.

I think one of the neatest and low demand (cheaper) collector engines is the early 'pinkish' Golden Bee. And there lies another mystery, the Golden Bee was to have the ventless back plate, yet you see a lot of the early versions with vented backplates, did they come that way or were they swapped out?


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Post  SuperDave on Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:58 am

Depends on the objective of the buyer in making an engine purchase. If authenticity is important disregard seller claims and make purchases from good base of knowledge. Lacking that seek the advice from someone knowlegeable in model engines.

Good pictures are helpful too.

Misrepresentations, intended or not, are common in the used engine market.

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Post  Mark Boesen on Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:04 pm

Lol, yep. Always buy the item, never the story!
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Post  SuperDave on Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:26 pm

Mark:

Just the name COX seems to have an allure in the marketplace and you KNOW they command some serious bucks.  Very Happy 

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Post  Cribbs74 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:22 pm

The funny thing in the picture above it look to be an early small taper crankcase yet it is said to be a 70's Bee.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:01 pm

yep, I noticed that. I think the 'two-tone' Golden bees was about the time of the 'stepped' cylinder?

hopefully Mud will see this thread
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Post  anm2 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:16 pm

Mark Boesen wrote:I was planning on doing some research, going thru my notes as I hate to post something half A., lol, 1/2A!

Dave, for a period (mid seventies) due to anodizing issues of getting the same shade of gold color on tank and case, the Golden Bee was issued with a black tank and I believe the gold tank & non anodized case, like the engine in question. I think I remember Dan Sitter saying the gold/silver combo was never offered and I think Mudhen thought it was?
I don't think I've ever seen the silver/gold NIB, but I've seen many, many used examples, could they all been 'converted' yes, they could of been, but as many as I've seen, I don't think so. This also kills any value, as they might be somewhat rare, but because they can be swapped so easy they're on worth what a equal value all gold or black/gold would be.

I think one of the neatest and low demand (cheaper) collector engines is the early 'pinkish' Golden Bee. And there lies another mystery, the Golden Bee was to have the ventless back plate, yet you see a lot of the early versions with vented backplates, did they come that way or were they swapped out?

What do you mean by vented backplate? Are you talking about the vent screen?
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Post  pkrankow on Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:04 pm

anm2 wrote:
Mark Boesen wrote:I was planning on doing some research, going thru my notes as I hate to post something half A., lol, 1/2A!

Dave, for a period (mid seventies) due to anodizing issues of getting the same shade of gold color on tank and case, the Golden Bee was issued with a black tank and I believe the gold tank & non anodized case, like the engine in question. I think I remember Dan Sitter saying the gold/silver combo was never offered and I think Mudhen thought it was?
I don't think I've ever seen the silver/gold NIB, but I've seen many, many used examples, could they all been 'converted' yes, they could of been, but as many as I've seen, I don't think so. This also kills any value, as they might be somewhat rare, but because they can be swapped so easy they're on worth what a equal value all gold or black/gold would be.

I think one of the neatest and low demand (cheaper) collector engines is the early 'pinkish' Golden Bee. And there lies another mystery, the Golden Bee was to have the ventless back plate, yet you see a lot of the early versions with vented backplates, did they come that way or were they swapped out?

What do you mean by vented backplate?  Are you talking about the vent screen?  

I believe the fill/vent holes, since the engine has a stunt tank it should not have fill/vent holes in the back plate.
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Post  craig bernard on Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:39 pm

thanks for everyones imput im still confused if there were any off ones other than the all gold. I SEEN THREE ON AERO TOOLS AND AFORTH THE ADMINISTRATOR IT MADE FOR GOOD CONVERSATION ANYWAYS.DID COX EVER MAKE A BUMBLE BEE OTHER THAN NEWER VERSION.
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Post  roddie on Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:42 pm

It's been 25+ years since I've done any engine trading... but I came into possession of 1 Golden Bee and another engine with a Golden Bee "rear-end". I can't remember which plain (silver) crankcase came with the other tank.. or which cylinder came with "either" of the engines. I wasn't interested in collecting at the time, and also have several other "Babe Bee's" that I would run in all kinds of different configurations.

Here's what I have for Golden Bee parts. The assembled engine's cylinder is not to be considered.. as I do not know if it is correct. The crankcase as you can see; is a "later" design.



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Post  craig bernard on Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:04 pm

the one i seen was
Like the administrators picture except the thrust washer was aluminum as well.i seenit on kijiji tryed to jump on it it was for sale along with a super bee and three post stamp and annew in pakage muffler and some loose peices all for 10.00 great deal barely lasted24 hours.
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Post  SuperDave on Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:57 am

All things considered I consider my GB genuine and authetic.

"That's my story and I''m sticken' to it."

If I were to sell it I'd just say "in excellent running condition" and let a picky buyer try to convince me I'm wrong.  Haggling is part of the game and I'm well prepared to handle it.

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Post  gcb on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:39 pm

Here are my Golden Bees including the "pinkish" one in the lower left.

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