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Post  microflitedude on Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:21 pm

It made me laugh, I thought would share it with you guys. Very Happy

http://997now.radio.com/2011/11/18/video-police-use-light-sabers-at-occupy-wall-street/


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Post  nitroairplane on Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:38 pm

lol
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Post  SuperDave on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:19 pm

It's about time because the "Occupy" movement lacks definition and a specic purpose. With such issues clouded how are the "occupiers" wver going to achieve anything?

If "Occupiers" want to protest they need focus on the US government and politicans that made the financial collapse possible i.e. "bailouts" to banks that brought the system down and the appointment of the "perps" to high positions like Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner.

WDC is the problem NOT Wall Street. Start with Senator Barney Frank and "clean out" Congress from there.
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Post  microflitedude on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:44 pm

It's sad, there are a bunch of people camping around the SC State House, they have been there for weeks.
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Post  nitroairplane on Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:47 pm

microflitedude wrote:It's sad, there are a bunch of people camping around the SC State House, they have been there for weeks.

Same here at St.Pauls Cathedral they have been there for AGES but hey they are standing up for what they believe and it doesn't in any way offend me so I say let them stay as long as they like and let the camp grow!
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Post  SuperDave on Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:25 pm

nitro:

So what DO the protesters believe in beside "social justice" whatever THAT means?

How we we know when it's been achieved? Will everyone live "happily everafter" or what?
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Post  nitroairplane on Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:27 pm

SuperDave wrote:nitro:

So what DO the protesters believe in beside "social justice" whatever THAT means?

How we we know when it's been achieved? Will everyone live "happily everafter" or what?

To be honest I don't really know or for that matter care!
But if there is enough people there to make a change then maybe we should change.
AFAIK it nothing "bad"
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Post  SuperDave on Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:38 pm

nitro:

2 me, "Occupy" is a whole lot of people upset with a whole lot of things; no one seems to know for sure.

But isn't that the way of the world?

If there is a "bad" element is that it is costing a ton of public money to keep the protests under control.


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Post  nitroairplane on Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:40 pm

True......
Really it don't bother me as long as they are not protesting about a certain "race" of people or whatever it fine they dont affect our lives and really no-one outside the little camp can be bothered asking why they are there!
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Post  SuperDave on Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:31 pm

Well nitro they aren't protesting a "race" but an economic class AFAICS. Class warfare of the "poor" vs the "rich" in the classic Socialist rant.

But where does it lead and who exactly will benefits? Karl Marx all over again and likely to the same result as in the former Soviet Union which imploded upon itself in '91. It failed due to it's own economic inability to sustain itself. Remember the Soviets in A'stan?

Yet the dream of: "To each according to his need and from each according to his ability" is a dreamy misconception of man's self-serving nature. When the masses depend on others to support them it seldom takes long to realize that something is terribly wrong with the equation.

So tell us, where has Marxian Socialism ever succeeded? Ask an "Occupy" protester if THEY know.
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Post  shell shock on Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:21 pm

yup yup, they are here in toronto too... its funny, walked by the camp the other day and asked 10 different people the main "goal"... none of them could give me a responce.... BBAAAAAAA BAAAA BAAAAA... plus they smell.... something aweful...
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Post  Admin on Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:33 pm

Yeah, we got them here too. http://www.occupymn.org/ For awhile they were obeying the laws but now they are causing trouble by destroying things, leaving trash everywhere, urinating in public, having sex in public, lighting port-a-johns on fire spray painting sidewalks and streets.... their newest thing is breaking into foreclosed homes and ransacking the place. I can see why they are protesting, the issue is, half of them protesting have no idea why they are protesting and apparently they think destroying things gets them what they want.
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Post  SuperDave on Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:37 pm

Frankly, I don't understand how anyone can be indifferent to the "Occupy" movement.

We are witnessing pent up raw emotions without any specific direction or purpose. Additionally this has a world-wide dimension as in Egypt and Greece. Further our members of Congress in the "Super Committee" have failed miserably in their effort to curb the defict.

I can but wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving and remind that it's purpose is to thank God for the blessings that you have as a free American. For how long I really don't know.

Have a good "bird" with your families and ask God to bless America.
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Post  SuperDave on Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:20 pm

Indra:

Apparenty you regard "Occuy" as some sort of "comic opera" like Monty Python which it is not. You don't seem to realize that these are perilous times for our country and the world.

Whether you "care" or not is hardly relevant to this discussion. Interjecting your personanl opinion does not befit your role as a "moderator" so I ask you to cease lest you lose the respect accorded you.
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Post  Admin on Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:40 pm

SuperDave wrote:Frankly, I don't understand how anyone can be indifferent to the "Occupy" movement.

We are witnessing pent up raw emotions without any specific direction or purpose. Additionally this has a world-wide dimension as in Egypt and Greece. Further our members of Congress in the "Super Committee" have failed miserably in their effort to curb the defict.

I can but wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving and remind that it's purpose is to thank God for the blessings that you have as a free American. For how long I really don't know.

Have a good "bird" with your families and ask God to bless America.

I am interested in this movement, I'm not ignoring it. I just don't understand why they have to break in and riot in a foreclosed home and end up burning it down including half of the neighbors home.

Happy thanksgiving to you and everyone else here!

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Post  Mudhen on Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:12 pm

I know I care.
Unfortunately, open discussion with those protesting is pointless. They're emotionally driven. Emotions can be exceedingly powerful and override a person’s coherence and reason. They raise their voices and bang their fists in an attempt to silence those who oppose them. They’re typically intolerant of any dissenting viewpoint. They use emotionally charged slogans but without any anchor, foundation, or objectivity to their assertions.
They bewail the rich as being evil, but they can’t define “rich,” or “evil.” They seek "social justice" but can't define "just." Truth is always objective. So without an objective reference to which they can point and say, "see, that's why it's wrong," then they're only giving an opinion. If they have no straight line to which they can point and say, “see, that’s why your line is crooked,” then they’re only giving an opinion. And his or her opinion is no more superior to mine. Am I “rich” because I make $10k more a year than my neighbor? Am I “evil” because I work hard, pay my taxes, live lawfully and earn $300k per year? Is it “just” to take what I have rightfully, lawfully earned and give it to those who won’t work, or refuse to pay the debts they agreed to pay? I guarantee you this–The majority of those protesting don’t really care for the poor, downtrodden, and needful in society. You want proof? Look at their tax returns. They have a new Smart Phone, but gave nothing to the genuinely poor. They have a new plasma TV, but did nothing for the homeless. They’re jealous, whining, lazy, unthankful, ungrateful, wrongheaded, simple-minded, low brow, knuckle-dragging anarchists pining for a free ride on my hard labor. Whatever it is they seek, they want me to pay for it.
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Post  fit90 on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:29 am

AMEN!!!,

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Post  microflitedude on Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:58 am

The Mayor had told them to leave by 6 o' clock last night. They all started chanting and screaming, repeating whatever was yelled at them. The set off Class B fireworks in the street that went on for 10 minutes.

The police never came, and that bothered me.
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Post  SuperDave on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:14 am

Dude:

Provoking confrontations with the police is on the agenda of protestors especially if the confrontation appears on television and get lots of "ink" in the print media. Police response may have been lacking due to the "staged" nature of the protest.

Protestors like nothing better than to be bloodied or pepper-sprayed by the police in such an instance then fall to the pavement in mock agony as other protesters gather around with their signs for the "show".
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Post  shell shock on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:22 am

Superdave is right about this. i wasn't around, but the same thing happened in the 60's with the vietnam protestors..
Any thing to bring light to their... "cause"
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Post  SuperDave on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:44 am

Anyone ever read Abbie Hoffman's "Revolution for the Hell of it" ? I have. Try "The Anarchist's Cookbook" too for enlightenment in protest tactics.

"Abbie" (Abraham) was one of the Chicago Seven convicted after the '68 protests at the Democratic Party National Convention in Chicago.

And what a show of protest tactics that was! And now we're seeing the "show" once again in the "Occupy" movement.

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Post  RknRusty on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:02 am

shell shock wrote:Superdave is right about this. i wasn't around, but the same thing happened in the 60's with the vietnam protestors..
Any thing to bring light to their... "cause"
I was around. It wasn't the same thing in the '60s. That was unbridled hatred, anger, violence and destruction. The US government had an overblown opinion of it's own importance on one side. And on another side the protesters had a misplaced rebellious affinity for communism in their attempt to counter the crewcut black-tied suits in Washington, and in my opinion were abusing their own civil right to protest. The Black Panthers were coming from a whole 'nother direction.
Martin Luther King should be credited with creating the peaceful style of protest we see in America today, demonstrating how to take a step back and intellectually reasoning out what the problems were and gathering in protest to talk or shout out what we as a massive collection of people want and need.

Unfortunately today, intellect is failing, as shown by the Wall Street squatters, still peaceful, but ignorant. They don't properly teach civics in school anymore, nor do they teach where our country came from, why it came to be, and how our bill of rights was intended to back up our own civic duty and responsibility. Now people don't understand the difference between rights, responsibility and entitlement.

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Post  SuperDave on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:32 am

Rusty:

Civics and history are no longer taught well because schools are more intent on "feelings" rather than factual knowledge. And why is this?

Case in point: the orginal intent of Thanksgiving has been slaughtered by historical revisionist who now opine the intent was to thank the Native Americans for their assistance in the survival of the Pilgrims. While NA's were honored guests they were NOT the the principle reason for the Thanksgiving celebration.

Guess who was? Distortion of "facts" as they SHOULD have happen is not history but intended fabrication for motives I can only speculate. "Feel goodism" trumps fact in many instances. Further 1/3 of students drop out of high school befoe graduation but to what end result?

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Post  shell shock on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:09 am

what i ment by "the same thing" wasnt the cause or the reason, i ment the tactics. by far the 60s' protestors had alot more on their plate then they do now
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Post  SuperDave on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:18 am

If you are saying that 60' protestors had more definable objectives, I agree w/you.

If Occupy were to come into clear focus (which DON'T believe it ever will or can), civil internal revolution would be the outcome. In essence, America would defeat itself.

Note and afterthough:

Terrorists have that exact same motive to distroy America from within by causing internal discention within the US. Who to say "Occupy" isn't terrorist inspired?
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