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Post  rsv1cox on Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:03 pm

A first for me. I have never bought a balsa model that someone else had built and I found this model interesting. No bells and whistles, just looks like a fun built model with interesting lines. I'm not sure if it's scratch or a kit. Thoughts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-P-51B-Gas-U-C-Balsa-Model-Airplane-Mancave-Decoration-/251840318184?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=%252FAZeaDePgy98Xj5Q5QcSyhz24mg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Seller thinks the engine is an OK Cub, and I would agree, .049 probably. Started at $5.50, bought at $18.50. As usual early-on I submitted a one time proxy.








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Post  Kim on Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:08 pm

Maybe a Guillow's P-51, sheeted with 1/16th?
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Post  getback on Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:15 pm

Looks like some kind of a bomber = damnifino= When you get it clean that sucker up and I want to see if it will fly lol!  I would say patterned from another ship and built to have fun or may be in a contest , I think you got a deal if it were me I have gotten beat by a dollar DAMMIT!
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Post  Marleysky on Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:18 pm

Dang, if I had won I would tune it up and use it in the CEF speed race! tongue
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Post  stuntflyr on Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:31 am

I have some Comet 14 inch sheet models, and used to have a Consolidated 1/2A hollow log type around 16 inches. Ant knowledge about the fuse consruction RSV?
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Post  rsv1cox on Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:41 am

Yes, I'm anxious to get a hold of it. Seller says maybe "planked", probably the fuselage only as it shows signs of being framed construction but the wing and tail sure are solid balsa.

I just like the semi scale cut of the clipped wings and the tail, very P-51 like. I have googled every P-51 model that I can find to see if there is a kit like it, so far no luck. I'm hoping that it's a home built, I have never seen a P-51D canopy flaired into the fuselage that way.

And an OK Cub. Who doesn't toss a Babe Bee in there...... Strange mixture.
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Post  roddie on Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:25 am

I wouldn't be surprised if that little airplane is older than "we" are! It looks like a brushed-dope finish, old engine, old prop... looks like old "Veco" wheels held on w/soldered steel washers? I'd be interested to know what was used for the elevator hinging?
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Post  rsv1cox on Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:30 am

roddie wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if that little airplane is older than "we" are! It looks like a brushed-dope finish, old engine, old prop... looks like old "Veco" wheels held on w/soldered steel washers? I'd be interested to know what was used for the elevator hinging?

And the fuel tank too.  A look back in time and free rust and dust, how can I go wrong.  Huh...

Whoops,  I have been calling it a D model, bubble canopy.  Seller calls it a more appropriate B model.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:10 am

Nice find, for 25 beans too boot!

In the mid fifties there was a lot of Cubs running around, Cox didn't become the dominate manufacture until the mid sixties and by then it was just them and Testors.
Looks like it might be a early large case Cub and the prop is a plastic KaySun prop. No idea on plane manufacture, i'm sure its suppose to be a P-51, great little piece of nostalgia, i don't know if i'd do more then wipe the dust off of it!
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Post  RknRusty on Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:37 am

rsv1cox wrote:Whoops,  I have been calling it a D model, bubble canopy.  Seller calls it a more appropriate B model.
Yeah, B or C. As I understand it's only the difference in which of two factories it was built in. The fuselage isn't exactly shaped right in front, but that's a good guess.
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Post  rsv1cox on Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:37 am

Well, it's on it's way. Seller has excellent feedback and packing kudos. Coming from College Park Md. been though there many times. Close to WV should be here Wed.

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Post  Mark Boesen on Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:45 am

....actually it's the prototype, XP-51 as there's no intake under the front spinner and the flat squarish radiator, lol! just kidding!

You're right on the early models there where a couple plants churning them out, "B" California and "C" in Dallas...."C" probably for COWBOYS!


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Post  rsv1cox on Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:11 pm

Name on the street for early models was "razorbacks". Maybe they should have been built in Are-Kansis
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Post  Mark Boesen on Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:23 pm

rsv1cox wrote:Name on the street for early models was "razorbacks".  Maybe they should have been built in Are-Kansis

lol, or maybe Maryland (Terrapins) as it was also known as a turtle deck!Huh...
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Post  stuntflyr on Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:45 pm

I fly over the old Dallas factory all of the time, Navy Dallas was the location. LAX is where the Cali Mustangs were built. Rams tough, I hear, finally.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:33 pm

...not to digress too much from the thread, but i always thought the NFL should send the Rams back to LA (blue and white), Cardinals to St. Louis, Colts back to Baltimore and put the Raven with a new name and colors in Indy!
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Post  crankbndr on Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:14 am

Mark Boesen wrote:...not to digress too much from the thread, but i always thought the NFL should send the Rams back to LA (blue and white), Cardinals to St. Louis, Colts back to Baltimore and put the Raven with a new name and colors in Indy!



While your at it, can you send the Dolphins (mullets) to Joliet?
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Post  Mark Boesen on Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:37 pm

Illinois? No, then they'd be in the Bears division and we don't want any more teams beating them up.
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Post  rsv1cox on Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:57 pm

The P-51B arrived a day early, nicely packed;





It should have arrived undamaged, but it didn't.



A quick inspection of the boxes exterior showed an impact point right above the canopy.  But a little pressure on the wing and it popped back in.



It looks scratch built to me, formers look hand cut and there is a seat in the cockpit.  I don't understand the crossing of the control lines.



Canopy glass is not well done.  Looks like a piece of styrene cut to shape and poorly glued.



The elevator is attached by wires which are backed up by a wire rod running it's full length.



The OK Cub engine must be an early model???  It looks like it has a squared off back mounting plate.  It's on there to stay.  Looks like the PO just epoxied it in.  The prop is marked Thimble Drome.

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Post  roddie on Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:50 pm

I had been curious about that elevator hinging. It's pretty much how I figured.  Is it's control-horn enclosed?

The crossed lead-outs... Huh... .. you can reverse the connections on the handle-end, to achieve the same thing.. or invert the handle if it can be held both ways. Maybe the control-horn is on top of the elevator.. and they still wanted the rear lead-out to control "up" input (as it would if the horn was on the bottom of the elevator) After the bellcrank was buried in the fuse.. they may have chosen to invert the tip-guide.. because they were committed to a "single line" (loop) that was already threaded through a handle that could only be held comfortably one way? That's all that I can think of.
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Post  RknRusty on Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:56 pm

roddie wrote:...The crossed lead-outs... Huh... .. you can reverse the connections on the handle-end, to achieve the same thing...
Yeah that's what most people do, just hook it to the handle reversed. Lots of combat planes have the up and down reversed, but never cross the leadouts..
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Post  Marleysky on Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:14 pm

I would give the seller/shipper AA+ on the packaging. Looks like they tried to pack to prevent damage, who else would fabricate a cardboard support with strapping tape and $3.00 worth of plastic airbags? It's too bad that the shipping/delivering companies only worry about speed ( remember Tom hanks in castaway..faster! faster gotta beat the clock! ) the recent videos of the driver/deliveryman tossing a TV over a gated fence is nothing new, ( peeing on the customers house was unexpected )  it just happened to get caught on tape. If you could only see how they unload trucks, faster, faster, faster, they really don't care about the product in the boxes. Just get the box off the truck, on to the conveyor belt and then on to or out of the van and on to the porch and git back to the next box.  Oops,  sorry did not mean to get off on a  rant

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Post  rsv1cox on Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:20 pm

I have been pretty lucky in receiving undamaged items through the postal system, but there are horror stories out there.

I'm not sure if I can get this thing in the air or not, the engine is pretty much stuck and there is no effective way to remove it without damage to the airframe. I'm going to remove the glow plug and use RemOil in there and the front rotary to see if I can loosen it up, it's worked with other engines.

I'm looking for some P-51 decals, with a wing span of 18" something between 1/32" and 1/24" should work. Stars and bars, nose art etc.

The wing could be built-up, it seems there is a void between the top and bottom sheets.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:05 pm

rsv1cox wrote:I have been pretty lucky in receiving undamaged items through the postal system, but there are horror stories out there.

I'm not sure if I can get this thing in the air or not, the engine is pretty much stuck and there is no effective way to remove it without damage to the airframe.  I'm going to remove the glow plug and use RemOil in there and the front rotary to see if I can loosen it up, it's worked with other engines.

I'm looking for some P-51 decals, with a wing span of 18" something between 1/32" and 1/24" should work.  Stars and bars, nose art etc.  

The wing could be built-up, it seems there is a void between the top and bottom sheets.  

http://www.ebay.com/sch/700x23c/m.html?item=221699804486&hash=item339e568d46&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562


Here's one Andy(?) did for me several years ago and now sells it as a green version, but the green could be trimmed off.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cox-Thimble-Drome-XP-51-Mustang-Airplane-Stickers-/221699783903?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item339e563cdf
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Post  rsv1cox on Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:47 pm

Thanks for those links Mark. The scale between this model and the Cox P-51 should be rather close. I have been looking under generic P-51 "decals".
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