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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:30 pm

Like the Skunk Works needs ANOTHER model kit wedged into it's crowded quarters, I just received these two Blackhawk versions of Mr. Walt's 'Thunderbird' and 'Stitts Playboy' slab-winged hollow loggers.  Found them on my doorstep when I got home last night, settled in to my living room to pin the Thunderbird together and watch Star Trek...a pretty nice wrap-up to the day.







Big Otto is ready to rock, my Golden Hawk and Stunt Trainer are about to get color shot at them, so if I can keep the ball rolling, I'll have a regular "Musciano Air Force" here in a while.  Think I'm gonna dust of some Wen Mac's and Cubs for these guys.



Such a weird deal to have put these things together as a kid, assembling them on a lid salvaged from a deskette set, and dreaming about bigger, faster, radio-controlled stuff and building equipment. And now...pushing most of this stuff aside to build them again.  Weird-Weird-Weird....



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Re: Feeling Very Scientific...or maybe 'Black Hawkísh'...

Post  roddie on Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:37 pm

Nothing weird about it! It's Love.. (never mind McDonald's and Subaru..) Model Airplanes=Love.
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Post  batjac on Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:57 pm

Kim,

Who did you order the kits from? I'm thinking I'd best order a couple of old Scientific hollow log kits before Blackhawk stops making them.

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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:11 pm

batjac wrote:Kim,

Who did you order the kits from?  I'm thinking I'd best order a couple of old Scientific hollow log kits before Blackhawk stops making them.

The Squirreling Away Mark

Got them here:

http://bjm-home.com/models.html

A while back, Matt/microflitedude and someone else directed me to Outerzone http://www.outerzone.co.uk/, and I've been downloading all the Musciano Plans they list, and making a slideshow screensaver for my computer.

It's true...love this stuff.  The Thunderbird was one I'd missed, and liked the wide wing of the Stitts Playboy, so got that one too.

Want to build me a 'Zipper' but no kits for it (yet), so it'll be a scratched out project.  Built one back in the day flew the wing off of it (literally!).

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Post  rsv1cox on Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:50 pm

You know I love the Zipper. One of the first models that I ever built.

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Re: Feeling Very Scientific...or maybe 'Black Hawkísh'...

Post  roddie on Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:29 pm

Kim wrote:
batjac wrote:Kim,

Who did you order the kits from?  I'm thinking I'd best order a couple of old Scientific hollow log kits before Blackhawk stops making them.

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Got them here:

http://bjm-home.com/models.html

A while back, Matt/microflitedude and someone else directed me to Outerzone http://www.outerzone.co.uk/, and I've been downloading all the Musciano Plans they list, and making a slideshow screensaver for my computer.

It's true...love this stuff.  The Thunderbird was one I'd missed, and liked the wide wing of the Stitts Playboy, so got that one too.

Want to build me a 'Zipper' but no kits for it (yet), so it'll be a scratched out project.  Built one back in the day flew the wing off of it (literally!).


Do any of the other airplanes that you wish to build, incorporate the hollow-log fuse.. like the others you're building? I have some balsa that's 1.75" thick x 15"L. x 12"W solid wood.. that I could rip down to a specified width and throw in the mail for you. I have a couple similar size "planks" but this one is the lightest of them. It would carve/sand/rout-out easily.



This piece is 12"W X 15"L on the longest side.. and 13.5"L on the shortest side.



Just under a pound and a half.. I don't know what that works out to per cu. ft. but it's pretty light solid wood. At 1.75" thick.. it should be plenty wide for a fuse.. (or plenty "tall".. depending on what you're building) A 1" wide strip for example, by around 10-12"L. would make a nice carved-out scale fuse for a 1/4A .020 or even .010 powered airplane.

PM me if you're interested Kim.
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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:37 pm

rsv1cox wrote:You know I love the Zipper.  One of the first models that I ever built.



How cool...I've said it before that it's amazing (at least to me) how similar a lot our tracks were.

You even duplicated it's paint scheme! Mine was much more...'rustic' would be a kind word...but it flew great. I had not graduated to inverted flight, and Zipper's life span didn't stretch that far, so I never got to see it go inverted with that flat-bottomed airfoil. Were you able to fly it upside-down?

My more-or-less healthy Zipper succumbed to my youthful desire to modify stuff, and it was the tragic recipient of a 98 cent "Fly-by-Night Kit" from America's Hobby Center. A daytime test-run saw it smack hard enough to knock the body loose from the wing, and a poor repair caused the fuse to finally depart the wing for good.

Can't remember what happened to my "Fly-by-Night Kit"....
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Post  rsv1cox on Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:55 pm

I was a lot smarter back then Kim, steadier too.

I don't recall if I tried it inverted, probably not as it was still in one piece years later when I took that photo. I think the first C/L that I ever intentionally flew inverted was my home built "flaps" model made out of a horizontal stablizer from a crashed R/C model.

The "fly by night" kit is a new one on me. I did a lot of business with AHC years ago, but it was mostly model railroad stuff. AHM by Rivarossi, switches, track etc..
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Post  Kim on Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:45 pm

rsv1cox wrote:

The "fly by night" kit is a new one on me.  I did a lot of business with AHC years ago, but it was mostly model railroad stuff.  AHM by Rivarossi, switches, track etc..  

Oh yeah!  The FBN Kit was a highly technical device, comprised of an AA battery holder, a switch, wires, and two "pea lamps"...and weighed a ton when viewed by the victim plane.

The good thing was, it DID fit into my budget...

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Post  Marleysky on Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:00 pm

Kim wrote:Like the Skunk Works needs ANOTHER model kit wedged into it's crowded quarters, I just received these two Blackhawk versions of Mr. Walt's 'Thunderbird' and 'Stitts Playboy' slab-winged hollow loggers.  Found them on my doorstep when I got home last night, settled in to my living room to pin the Thunderbird together and watch Star Trek...a pretty nice wrap-up to the day.


Big Otto is ready to rock, my Golden Hawk and Stunt Trainer are about to get color shot at them, so if I can keep the ball rolling, I'll have a regular "Musciano Air Force" here in a while.  Think I'm gonna dust of some Wen Mac's and Cubs for these guys.

Such a weird deal to have put these things together as a kid, assembling them on a lid salvaged from a deskette set, and dreaming about bigger, faster, radio-controlled stuff and building equipment. And now...pushing most of this stuff aside to build them again.  Weird-Weird-Weird....


Hey Kim!  How do you just " find them on your doorstep"? DO you have something like the Easter Rabbit that delivers balsa Kits.....maybe the Balsa Bunny??
 I Know what you mean about feeling wierd about going back to our youth...don't need digital servos or GHz transmitters, give me a handle and 35ft of lines Whhhoo Buddy! Even Shrug was going back in time in his ManCave!  by the why does your Gold Hawk look something like this:  
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Re: Feeling Very Scientific...or maybe 'Black Hawkísh'...

Post  Kim on Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:59 pm

Now THAT dude has seen some stuff!  Still...a little sanding, a little paint and it ought to go!

My Golden Hawk has gone from the mock-up stage to the 'plane-on-a-stick' stage.  We get some warmer weather in here like we're supposed to, it's gets it's first color coat!



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Post  batjac on Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:10 pm

Kim wrote:
rsv1cox wrote:

The "fly by night" kit is a new one on me.  I did a lot of business with AHC years ago, but it was mostly model railroad stuff.  AHM by Rivarossi, switches, track etc..  

Oh yeah!  The FBN Kit was a highly technical device, comprised of an AA battery holder, a switch, wires, and two "pea lamps"...and weighed a ton when viewed by the victim plane.

The good thing was, it DID fit into my budget...


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Post  batjac on Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:00 am

Well, I wasn’t going to post any photos of this until I’d finished it, as it’s so simple it doesn’t need a build thread.  When I was looking at ordering a couple of Musciano hollow log kits, I thought back to the American Boy that Walt designed.  I figured it wouldn’t take long to cut out the parts and glue it up.  To save time, I decided to use one of the plastic 1/2A engine mounts that I bought in bulk last year.  It took about an hour to cut everything out and get to the stage you see below.  The wing is just half of a sheet of SIG ¼”x 3” airfoil shaped balsa.   The plans call for a fuselage made from 3/16” sheet balsa, but all I had was ¼” so I used that.







Including the expensive $3.99 motor mount, I figure the plane will cost about ten bucks to build and paint, not counting engine and handle/lines.

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Post  rsv1cox on Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:54 am

Fly by night, got it.  Pea lamps replaced by LED's today.  Red-Right-Returning, one of the first things the Navy teaches you.  My Airfield B-25 has them.  

Nice built up balsa models.  I got out my Black Hawk Cyclone kit the other day with intents of building but completing these two Wen Mac Airacobras got in the way, and I have that King Cobra coming, another needy project.

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Post  Kim on Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:30 am

batjac wrote:Well, I wasn’t going to post any photos of this until I’d finished it, as it’s so simple it doesn’t need a build thread.  When I was looking at ordering a couple of Musciano hollow log kits, I thought back to the American Boy that Walt designed.  I figured it wouldn’t take long to cut out the parts and glue it up.  To save time, I decided to use one of the plastic 1/2A engine mounts that I bought in bulk last year.  It took about an hour to cut everything out and get to the stage you see below.  The wing is just half of a sheet of SIG ¼”x 3” airfoil shaped balsa.   The plans call for a fuselage made from 3/16” sheet balsa, but all I had was ¼” so I used that.

Including the expensive $3.99 motor mount, I figure the plane will cost about ten bucks to build and paint, not counting engine and handle/lines.

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Great! It's definitely gonna be a year for these! I THINK, but am not sure that American Boy was one of the earliest Scientific Kits. Gonna dig out some magazines after a bit more coffee....
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Post  Kim on Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:57 am

rsv1cox wrote:Fly by night, got it.  Pea lamps replaced by LED's today.  Red-Right-Returning, one of the first things the Navy teaches you.  My Airfield B-25 has them.  

Nice built up balsa models.  I got out my Black Hawk Cyclone kit the other day with intents of building but completing these two Wen Mac Airacobras got in the way, and I have that King Cobra coming, another needy project.

The Cobras are looking great!

I've been promised a 60 degree, sunny day on Wednesday, so there ought to be some paint hosing going on! Also gonna swing my the local cabinet shop and see if they'll let me rummage through their hardwood scrap bin again. Been having fun spinning down some hardwood wheels...trying to replicate the ones that came in the original Scientific Kits.


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Post  KariFS on Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:44 am

batjac wrote:Well, I wasn’t going to post any photos of this until I’d finished it, as it’s so simple it doesn’t need a build thread.  When I was looking at ordering a couple of Musciano hollow log kits, I thought back to the American Boy that Walt designed.  I figured it wouldn’t take long to cut out the parts and glue it up.  To save time, I decided to use one of the plastic 1/2A engine mounts that I bought in bulk last year.  It took about an hour to cut everything out and get to the stage you see below.  The wing is just half of a sheet of SIG ¼”x 3” airfoil shaped balsa.   The plans call for a fuselage made from 3/16” sheet balsa, but all I had was ¼” so I used that.

Including the expensive $3.99 motor mount, I figure the plane will cost about ten bucks to build and paint, not counting engine and handle/lines.

The American Mark

American Boy looks like a simple and fun build, and I have some 6mm balsa and one of those Brodak engine mounts so I think I'll build one too. To my inexperienced eye the tail feathers look a bit small. How does the "Boy" handle in its standard form? Is it easy enough for a beginner or should I make the elevator bigger?

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Post  getback on Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:35 pm

Training sport and FUN is what it says .......... http://www.blackhawkmodels.com/amboy.html does look like it would bee easy enough and i would say the tail is right for it Babe Bee .049 Eric
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Post  RknRusty on Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:11 pm

I agree. I think a bigger elevator would make it too responsive for a beginner. It's surprising how little the elevator has to move for a quick turn. The Baby Flite Streak is a good example, narrow elevator with very little throw, and it loops like it wants to eat its tail.
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Post  roddie on Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:28 pm

Kim wrote:

I've been promised a 60 degree, sunny day on Wednesday, so there ought to be some paint hosing going on!  Also gonna swing my the local cabinet shop and see if they'll let me rummage through their hardwood scrap bin again.  Been having fun spinning down some hardwood wheels...trying to replicate the ones that came in the original Scientific Kits.



Kim, A few weeks ago I stopped in to a store near me called "Wood Items and More".

http://www.wooditemsandmore.com/

The woman (co-owner) exclaimed that they make over 8000 different wood-turnings!

I bought some wheels that I thought I could use someday. The 1" dia. wheels were $.05/ea. and have center-punches on ea. side for accurate drilling of a hub.




BTW.. the offer still stands on the hollow-log balsa-fuse stock that I mentioned earlier in the thread.
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Post  Brenda on Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:36 pm

Roddie can you get her to list those wheels on their site? I would LOVE some in 1, 1.5 and 2in. Tired of Guillows plastic wheels on my 1/2a flyers
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Post  roddie on Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:29 pm

Brenda wrote:Roddie can you get her to list those wheels on their site? I would LOVE some in 1, 1.5 and 2in. Tired of Guillows plastic wheels on my 1/2a flyers

Hi Brenda, I could give her a call and ask about it. They really are nice little wheels.. and would probably take/hold paint better than plastic ones would too. They'd really look sharp if the outer "tire-profile" was painted black.. and the inner wheel-portion, the color of the model's trim or base color.

There is also a link on the site to email her with inquiries.
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Post  pkrankow on Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:40 pm

Probably should send her a link to this thread. _Nice_ inexpensive wheels would be pretty awesome.  Is there a similar thread on Stunthanger?

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