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Post  roddie Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:15 pm

Just wondering if these are still used these days.. or if there's newer-style clips out there?

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I've only actually used the "Luxon" type on the left. It's said that staggering the lead-out eyes can avoid tangles.. especially with combat models. Does it matter; from a control stand-point, which lead-out should be longer/shorter? Maybe that's a dumb question, but I'm wondering when solid lead-outs are used.. if it would affect the yaw-angle when going into a maneuver?

I took the precaution of staggering my Rare-Bear's solids 3/4" with the forward being longer. It's the first model I've done this with.

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Post  RknRusty Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:12 pm

Roddie, it's not unusual for 1/2A builders to stagger leadouts, and it doesn't appear to induce any flyability issues. It's a good idea for keeping them from hooking each other. I personally don't do it because I have never had a snagging problem with proper clips. I like the Luxon type. I hate the squeeze type on the right because I have trouble hooking them up to lines with thimbles. I like the bent steel type that work like the squeeze clips but are shaped more like paper clips.
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They can be made with a simple bending tool. This one is for 1/16" length adjustments that the expert stunters use with the hard point handles. Easy to make out of a .75"-16tpi bolt
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Post  NEW222 Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:34 pm

Hey there Rusty. Could you please share a bit more detail about the jig you got there. It looks like a good little project. Thank you.
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Post  NEW222 Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:36 pm

I forgot to mention that for me, I am using standard fishing leaders for my ships. I would also like to mention that I fly only 1/2a size planes.
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Post  Ken Cook Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:25 am

Luxon clips are still used. I still use them but I will say from experience that they can open. I had them rip out of the slider and straighten resulting in the model flying away. The first time it happened I figured it was a fluke. The second time, I knew that they're just not strong enough. Too many times I see modelers hook up their lines, check the handles and never slide the clip to lock it. I go and assist to help return the model to the pits only to find not just one, but both clips are unlocked. Use the other clips and this isn't an issue. I use them only on low powered models and smaller stunters. They do work on 1/2A, but the clips Roddie shows to the right are superior to them. If tangling is a concern, slip tubing over your clips. I use button bellcranks on speed and combat planes which takes many of the concerns out of the picture not to mention the low drag they provide.
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Post  larrys4227 Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:11 am

@RknRusty wrote:
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These are the ones I use on all my planes ... non-staggered ..... never had a problem.  I also exclusively use hard point handles.
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Post  getback Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:21 am

Ok i'll bite what are Hard Point Handles ?? I cant seem to find anything out there on this item . Eric Huh...
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Post  larrys4227 Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:04 am

Looks just like this .... as a matter of fact, this type is my favorite.  Love the biased configuration.  It helps my wrist stay at neutral and I find it very comfortable

The full page and description can be found here:
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Post  getback Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:22 am

Thanks Larry I kind-A thought that was what you were talking about , Nice looking handle , it don't say what the adjustable spacing is too can you tell me if its not too much trouble . Eric Small Cox Logo
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Post  larrys4227 Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:32 am

I believe the narrowest spacing would be the 3" range .... I'm at work and can't give a precise figure .... Smile
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Post  RknRusty Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:56 am

This is what I had in mind.
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I'm not flying at a level that requires this precise trim. I'd bash a plane into the ground sooner than I got perfect trim(I'm on a roll) They are more precise than the cable handle's I use.
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Post  badbill Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:42 am

So, with hard point handles, how do you adjust the neutral position between one plane and another when you switch?

This is the handle I use and I really like it, thinking of getting another.

https://www.rsmdistribution.com/index-2.htm

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Post  TDbandit Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:27 pm

Since we are on the subject of handles, though that I would post a pic of my Raco hard point handle as another example. (Bandit)
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Post  Mark Boesen Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:55 pm

I'll second the RSM style handle, great handle, that's what i used back in the day and for decades its was probably the most common, but it seems the Hard point type have become more popular in recent years. As far as neutral position you'd need to adjust for what feels comfortable to you and how the plane turns inside verses outside. I'd adjust the airplane first, then the handle to increase or decrease throw movement.
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Post  larrys4227 Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:13 pm

@badbill wrote:So, with hard point handles, how do you adjust the neutral position between one plane and another when you switch?


Personally ... I have a separate handle and lines for each airplane. Once its set up .... its always perfect. Smile
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Post  JPvelo Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:12 pm

@badbill wrote:So, with hard point handles, how do you adjust the neutral position between one plane and another when you switch?

You use different length line clips to adjust neutral. That's where the jig for bending your own clips in 1/16" increments comes in handy.

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Post  badbill Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:35 pm

To heck with that, I think my handle will suit me for a while to come Shocked
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Post  roddie Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:05 pm

I made some mods to this "Sagan" handle.. and found a cracked crimp-barrel in the process.

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My dad had given me the handle a few years ago. I'd never used it.. and wanted a special handle for my CEF Reed Speed model. I drilled and chamfered the frame to add more narrow line-spacing options. The cable-clamp "had" a button-head socket screw for a threaded-hole in the frame.

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I installed a longer screw from the outside-in.. and have a wing-nut/lock-washer on there now.

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Post  RknRusty Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:53 pm

@larrys4227 wrote:
@badbill wrote:So, with hard point handles, how do you adjust the neutral position between one plane and another when you switch?


Personally ... I have a separate handle and lines for each airplane.  Once its set up .... its always perfect. Smile
Yeah, that's an advanced flyer thing, dedicated handle and line sets for each plane. Not for me, and not for sport flyers. I use cable handles temporarily dedicated till I kill its plane lol!

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Post  batjac Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:52 am

@roddie wrote: It's said that staggering the lead-out eyes can avoid tangles.. especially with combat models.

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I always stagger my leadout eyelets. Always. Of course, that's because I tie them freehand and can never make lines match perfectly...

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Post  larrys4227 Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:02 am

@RknRusty wrote:
@larrys4227 wrote:
@badbill wrote:So, with hard point handles, how do you adjust the neutral position between one plane and another when you switch?


Personally ... I have a separate handle and lines for each airplane.  Once its set up .... its always perfect. Smile

Yeah, that's an advanced flyer thing, dedicated handle and line sets for each plane. Not for me, and not for sport flyers. I use cable handles temporarily dedicated till I kill its plane lol!

LOL! I hope your not saying I'm advanced .... Nooooo .... I dont wanna be!! LOL!

Even as a kid, I remember separate handles and lines for each plane. Back then, we would roll up the lines/handle and rubber band it to the inboard wing.

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Post  Mark Boesen Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:15 am

With the RSM type you could just swap out the bar, but yes most people just use a dedicated lines and handle for each plane.


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Post  getback Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:20 am

I am with Mark On the uneven lines , just so happens I made a set of 35' yesterday lines looped through the handle from Roger Harris (where the heck is he anyway ) for adjustment and to many fishing lures on a set of independent lines so they were not one long loop through the handle and all my planes have swivels on the lead outs . 1.5 hr. later . I just cant get the knot they recommend but keep tring , never was a big fisherman so didn't tie that kind of knot was in the scouts though lol! Need to make a set of 15' now and I can put them to this handle or maybe just loop through the handle since there so short > Eric Very Happy
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Post  roddie Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:43 pm

@batjac wrote:

I always stagger my leadout eyelets.  Always.  Of course, that's because I tie them freehand and can never make lines match perfectly...

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Mark, There was some discussion awhile back, on this. I think it had to do with chamfering all holes where the line will thread-through.. to help prevent abrasion. Do you use "Spectra"-type braid with a nylon bell-crank? How about the guides? I like the thought of using a safety-pin eye for a guide(s) because they're smooth all the way around on both sides.
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Post  roddie Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:58 pm

@getback wrote:I am with Mark On the uneven lines , just so happens I made a set of 35' yesterday lines looped through the handle from Roger Harris (where the heck is he anyway ) for adjustment and to many fishing lures on a set of independent lines so they were not one long loop through the handle and all my planes have swivels on the lead outs . 1.5 hr. later . I just cant get the knot they recommend but keep tring , never was a big fisherman so didn't tie that kind of knot was in the scouts though lol! Need to make a set of 15' now and I can put them to this handle or maybe just loop through the handle since there so short > Eric Very Happy

Yea Eric, I was wondering the same about Roger. Hope he's just busy with other stuff..

"Never was a big fisherman"... Laughing (me either..) and I too have trouble with that knot.. You're using fishing lures though.. and (OMG) "swivels" on some of your planes?  Shocked  I was told to never use swivels. Maybe they'd be ok for that 15' line-set you're making.. but I wouldn't get in the habit of using them for anything larger than 1/4A flying. Just my Two Cents
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