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Post  batjac on Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:24 pm

I was doing some errands downtown this morning, so I figured I’d stop in at the local hobby shop.  I looked around for a while and didn’t see anything I need, so I asked the owner to see his used engines box.  It was pretty bare the last time I looked, but what the hell.  Maybe there’d be something worth 5 bucks.

He brought out this:






I pulled out everything and sorted through them to see what is in there.   There were 23 Cox engines and one Atwood engine.  I offered him $125 for all of it.  The owner countered with $150.  I didn’t really need more product engines, but accepted anyway.  Ah, well.   You gotta just go with it sometimes.

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Post  OVERLORD on Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:59 pm

Mark, the engine with the yellow anodised crankcase, is that a MkII special ?
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Post  akjgardner on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:06 pm

Nice hull Mark
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Post  crankbndr on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:11 pm

That looks like a MarkII, would you like to sell it?
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Post  TDbandit on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:13 pm

Dang sure looks like it, also looks like there's an Olympic .15 living in there too. O_O dang you scored!!
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Post  getback on Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:19 pm

WHAT THEY SAID !!!! Nice Haul you dog you in a good way of coarse !! Small Cox Logo Smoking  Eric tongue
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Post  dckrsn on Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:27 pm

OooWhee, Mark. Way to go.
I guess my sights are set a little low. The first thing
that caught my eye was the blue postage stamp with
the Goldberg mount. Sweet!
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Post  1/2A Nut on Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:18 pm

Aweeesome sauce find over there... just in two engine it has paid for itself and then some.
Olympic is good for 150 on ebay all the time
Mk II is good for 160 to 240!!

I have a few of each ready for a build. Small Cox Logo Small Cox Logo Small Cox Logo
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Post  cox24711 on Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:44 pm

oh wow that the kind of price i would want for some engines ! lol!
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Post  RknRusty on Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:58 pm

TDbandit wrote:Dang sure looks like it, also looks like there's an Olympic .15 living in there too. O_O dang you scored!!
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Ditto, that was my first question too, is that an Olympic with the blue drive plate?
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Post  Jason_WI on Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:04 pm

RknRusty wrote: is that an Olympic with the blue drive plate?
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Yep. Looks like a Mk II in there too. You did good.
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Post  Admin on Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:28 am

Shouldn't have told us how many were in there, could've made this a guessing game! I have a jar of Babe Bees that I should post a picture of.


I say you got a score! MkII, Olympic, early Black Widow, stunt tanks, postage stamps, #1 cylinders... great find!

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Post  batjac on Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:17 am

Yes indeed!  There were a MKII and an Olympic in the jug. I had to work very hard to hide the glee from my face when I saw them in the jug so the owner wouldn't decide not to sell them to me and eBay them himself.

 The MKII is in pretty good shape.




But the previous owner of the Olympic should be dragged naked through a field of cactus…





Luckily, the pliers marks are only on the glow head and not on the cylinder.

The only non-Cox engine was this Atwood .049.  It seems to be in great shape, picture not withstanding.




For Bees I have a Black Widow, a Silver Bee, and the ever popular Champaign Bee.




There are five postage stamps, three with the Goldberg mount.  The white one has a coarse thread needle so I might switch it out for a fine needle.  One has a flexible needle that I’ve never seen on a postage stamp.  Has Cox ever used a flexible needle?  And the blue one is different.  Does anyone know which plane used the blue postage stamp backplate?  The white one also has the hose clamp type screen over the cylinder.  Any clues what plane that would have come off of?





There are two Red horseshoe backplates, both with fine needles.




Three tan horseshoe backplates, also with fine needles.




Four tan backplates with the exhaust shields and fine needles.




And lastly, just some plain old product engines with boring old coarse needles.  Luckily, a couple of them seem to have brand new glow heads.  In fact, of all the .049s, 13 seem to have new glow heads.  Maybe the previous owner refreshed them, thinking he'd be flying them soon, but ended up storing them instead.




I’m assuming that the previous owner replaced all the needles in the tan horseshoe backplates with fine needles.  Unless someone knows of planes that came with fine needles in horseshoe backplates?  I’m not really versed in the various product engines.  Does anyone know the likely planes the tan horseshoes with the exhaust shields came from?  

So, final tally:  One Olympic .15, one TD.15 MKII, three tanked bees of different pursuasions, five postage stamps of various flavors, 13 horseshoe backplates, 9 with fine needles, and one Atwood .049.  Not bad for $150.  But, maybe I should have offered him $100 and let him talk me up to $125.


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Post  KariFS on Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:49 am

Even for $150, to me this seems like a jackpot. Not that I would need that many engines to use, but several of them are something I would like to add to my little collection Smile

I would have paid 150 bucks (maybe even Euros) for that lot in a heartbeat.
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Post  crankbndr on Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:17 am

Yes, nice find!! The last time I had something like that happen was when I found Box O Engines at a swap meet.
That was a while ago and probebly won't happen again. Nice Golden Bee and dragging through cactus is too lenient!!

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Post  Kim on Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:23 am

SCORE !!!!!!!!!!

This is proof that they're STILL out there...maybe a little harder to come across...but still there!

Great Haul !!!

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Post  Mudhen on Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:44 pm

Nice score. Kim is right, they’re still out there.
The MKII will more than pay for your find, (If’n you decide to sell it.)

The blue 290 is a definite keeper. It was never used on a production model and is quite rare.

The flexible needle valve was only used on the second version of the Gurney Eagle. Here, it’s attached to a 290, but should be on the 190-5 engine.

The screen over the cylinder was one of two attempts made by Cox to prevent fires. They were used in the ‘70’s.

The two red horseshoe backplate engines are the 191-0 used on the WWI fighters. You may notice that they do not have the four holes for aftermarket mounting. (Compare them to the white horseshoe engines.)

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Post  RknRusty on Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:11 pm

Wow Mark, that's a whopper of a catch. I usually don't get too excited over a buncha old Cox engines, but this one is special in so many ways. Whoever owned then must've known how to use them, I'd forgive the pliered glow head. I hope you have fun thinking up cool machines to build around them.

And Mud, great to see you drop in, thanks for posting Hand Shake . I think about you every time I open my Cox Drawer to check and oil them or show someone my favorites. The RR1 hasn't been warmed up lately, I think I should bolt it up to pass one of these endless rainy days.

And that's all I got to say about that.
Later Mark,
Later Mud,
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Post  batjac on Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:44 pm

Mudhen wrote:Nice score. Kim is right, they’re still out there.
The MKII will more than pay for your find, (If’n you decide to sell it.)

The blue 290 is a definite keeper. It was never used on a production model and is quite rare.

The flexible needle valve was only used on the second version of the Gurney Eagle. Here, it’s attached to a 290, but should be on the 190-5 engine.

The two red horseshoe backplate engines are the 191-0 used on the WWI fighters. You may notice that they do not have the four holes for aftermarket mounting. (Compare them to the white horseshoe engines.)

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Holy Cow! You're right. I didn't notice that the red backplates don't have the mounting holes. That's cool. And I'll cleanup and just admire the blue postage stamp backplate for now. Of course, I DO have that blue TD-4....

Naw, I'm not selling the MKII. I'm thinking of building a Jr. Satan for it. To be flown only over grass, of course.

Thanks for the lesson, Mudhen.

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Post  Mudhen on Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:24 pm

RknRusty wrote:...And Mud, great to see you drop in, thanks for posting Hand Shake .

Right back 'atcha, Rusty Hand Shake

I'm so glad you enjoy the RR-1. And, yes...fire it up!!!
After all these years it remains one of the more beautiful Thimble Drome engines.
A definite fave.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:15 pm

Hi Mud!!!!

...so whats the story on the blue 290?
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Post  Mudhen on Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:44 am

Great question, Mark. I don’t know.
I never heard any stories, rumors, dope, anecdotes, nothing.
What I do know is that Cox never used blue Delrin on any model, so it can’t be a mold purge. That indicates the part was molded deliberately. Maybe:
1. Cox ordered the color from DuPont for its own consideration.
2. DuPont sent Cox a courtesy sample of blue Delrin to consider for future use.

I don’t know.
Huh...
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Post  getback on Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:53 am

Mud , sounds like a sample got loose some were down the line ??
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