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Post  WingingIt74 on Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:00 pm

I'm looking for the correct crankcase for my Babe Bee, late 50s early 60's.
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Post  jsesere on Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:47 am

I have a bunch of cases. Can you send me a picture of what your looking for to jsesere@yahoo.com or I can send pictures of what I have.
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Post  nitroairplane on Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:36 am

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Well that is the correct case for a '58.
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Post  jsesere on Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:44 am

I have a bunch of those.
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Post  Admin on Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:53 am

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Left: 1958-1968(?) Right: 1956
The 1957 seems to be in between those 2 being more curved then the right and less curved then the left.


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Post  jsesere on Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:01 am

If he contacts me I can send him pictures of what I have.
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Post  Admin on Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:03 am

jsesere wrote:If he contacts me I can send him pictures of what I have.

Have you ever figured out how to post images? I have somewhat revised the steps if you want to take a look at them again. http://coxengineforum.forumakers.com/t367-how-to-post-an-image-in-a-topic
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Post  jsesere on Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:17 am

I tried it again and got it to work. Tks.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:35 am

FYI, another way to ID a early case is the lack of the starter spring groove, starting sometime in '61-'62, Cox started machining a small groove in the cylinder base of the cranckcase.
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Post  Mudhen on Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:59 am

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The 1957 seems to be in between those 2 being more curved then the right and less curved then the left.
I'm not sure this is correct. It may just be wear, or a slight difference between the cutters.
The way I date the crankcase, particularly those made before the starter spring groove in Mark's picture is this:
There are three differences
1. No oil groove inside the crankshaft bore.
2. An oil groove, but with only one access channel.
3. An oil groove with two access channels.
To know what I mean by "access channel" look inside the crankcase where the crakshaft enters the bore. You should see:
A. One small vertical groove. (at the 12:00 o'clock position)
B. Two small vertical grooves. (One at 12:00, the other at 6:00)
C. No vertical groove means no oil groove inside the bore.
The vertical grooves are the access channels that allow oil into the bore for lubrication.
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Post  Admin on Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:57 pm

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Admin wrote:WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee Crankc10

The 1957 seems to be in between those 2 being more curved then the right and less curved then the left.
I'm not sure this is correct. It may just be wear, or a slight difference between the cutters.
The way I date the crankcase, particularly those made before the starter spring groove in Mark's picture is this:
There are three differences
1. No oil groove inside the crankshaft bore.
2. An oil groove, but with only one access channel.
3. An oil groove with two access channels.
To know what I mean by "access channel" look inside the crankcase where the crakshaft enters the bore. You should see:
A. One small vertical groove. (at the 12:00 o'clock position)
B. Two small vertical grooves. (One at 12:00, the other at 6:00)
C. No vertical groove means no oil groove inside the bore.
The vertical grooves are the access channels that allow oil into the bore for lubrication.
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From the last 20+ known 1956 Babe Bees (from packaging they were in and other obvious details) I have seen in person (overpriced at hobby shows) they all had the "less curved" cases without the spring grove. The case on the left above is originally from my 3 piece piston babe bee but the whole side of the case is corroded. The case is not worn, it actually looks like the little engine was played with once and put away in a bad place where is was allowed to come in contact with the wrong stuff. Mud, have you noticed the case neck difference between the 1956-1959-1962 cases with your samples?
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Post  Mark Boesen on Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:59 pm

Hi Mud,

Hope you had a great Christmas! This is great information, I had no idea about the oil grooves. Do you have any dates on the Engineering Changes?
I photo'd three cases (L-R) the first has no grooves and the front of the case is actually the most narrow with the least taper, the second is the single groove (I anodized) and third is the double. I remember Sitter and Tin Daniels both saying that the case tapered varied.

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P.S. I'm still mad at myself for tearing down a 'decent' looking, early Babe Bee and scattering the parts...that had a black rubber pickup tube and countersunk slot head screws thinking they were added by someone, when it more then likely it was a first version!
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Post  WingingIt74 on Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:27 am

I think I have found one through one of the board members on here, I'll keep you posted.
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Post  Mudhen on Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:53 am

Admin wrote:Mud, have you noticed the case neck difference between the 1956-1959-1962 cases with your samples?
That’s a great question. I have noticed differences in the conical shape of the early cases, but not consistency. (By “early,” I mean 1956-57 production runs.) It may well have been a conscious change on Cox’s part, but I never made the connection. Apart from aesthetic, however, I don’t see any operational advantage.
In the picture you posted how many access channels, if any, does the case on the right have?
(I have an idea, but I don't want to say anything just yet. )

Mark:
Great Pix – That’s just what I was hoping to see.
Sheesh, based on the parts in the background, and the speed with which you posted these “hard-to-find” pieces, you must have a gazillion parts Shocked
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Post  Mark Boesen on Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:29 am

Hi Mud,

About the oil grooves, did you have any dates on the Engineering Changes?

I wish I did have a gazillion parts. I've been lucky to know some really great engine collectors over the years...including a couple really knowledgeable collector/historians!

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Post  WingingIt74 on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:31 pm

A pic someone was asking for, thanks to my wife for the pic Smile
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Post  nitroairplane on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:35 pm

lol I was thinking Smile

Those hands do not look like an mans lol.
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Post  WingingIt74 on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:37 pm

I said my wife Wink No, LOL, they are not mine... What?
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Post  nitroairplane on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:42 pm

WingingIt74 wrote:I said my wife Wink No, LOL, they are not mine... What?

lol I know I read that.
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Post  WingingIt74 on Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:28 pm

I've been told it's not a 1958, as it's from 1960-1962: It has "Thimble-Drome" on the tank, a stamped-in venturi screen - but without "Made in USA" on the air channel, and it should not have the starter spring groove on the crankcase.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:37 am

Does the case have the starter spring groove? Also is there a number on the cylinder? If so it's probably newer then '62 up to when the lettering appeared on tank backplate '65-67'(?) ....HELP MUD!!!!!

The 'pinned' venturi screen appeared some time around '61-'62. Here's a photo of a Babe Bee removed from a Cox 1911 Curtis. The screen was wedged in place.
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Corroded 1956 Babe Bee crankcase, this is clearly the only reason why it is not on the original engine.

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No oil groves and you can also see there is no spring grove. Yes, the case cracked and broke apart when one of the screws was being removed, even after several other steps were being taken to remove the tight screw.

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Corroded right through the case!

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Light seen shining through the hole.
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Post  nitroairplane on Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:29 am

That is one abused bee!
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Post  WingingIt74 on Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:44 am

No marking on the cylinder.
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Post  Ivanhoe on Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:48 am

nitroairplane wrote:That is one abused bee!

Ouch!!! Paranoid
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