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.049 starting?
Ok this may sound stupid but do you have to put a few drops of gas in the cylinder to start .049 motors?
I wanted to make a exhaust that will be sealed and only have one outlet with a hose making the oily mess directed out and away from everything.
so is there a way to start these without the priming of the cylinder?
Thanks
I wanted to make a exhaust that will be sealed and only have one outlet with a hose making the oily mess directed out and away from everything.
so is there a way to start these without the priming of the cylinder?
Thanks
reptile- Gold Member
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Re: .049 starting?
It is possible to start with no prime using an electric starter, but very hard on the engine so don't do it. So yes, you need to prime the engine some way, some how.
How depends on which engine. On the rotary valved engines you can drip fuel into the intake, or turn the prop with your finger over the intake to suck fuel in (good idea to fill the fuel line this way anyhow). The sure starts have a choke tube so this also works on them. (or you can just drip some fuel down the tube if it is pointed upward) On the tanked engines the intake is not normally accessible. If, however, you could seal the intake to the firewall and run a tube through the firewall to an accessible location, you could do it. It would need to be around 1/4" ID or maybe a little more to avoid restricting the intake enough to hurt power.
Some of the cox cars had exhaust manifolds on them. There was usually a small hole to prime through. I think some of the factory mufflers had shutters you could open for priming or a little power boost if you were flying where the neighbors wouldn't complain. I've even seen that on some larger engines. (Some Enyas for example)
One way to prime is to hold your finger over the second vent on the tank and apply a little pressure with your fueling bulb or syringe. This will pressurize the tank and force fuel into the engine intake. This works on nearly anything, but it is easy to overdo it and end up with a hard-to-start flooded engine. Bladder tanks are normally done this way by default.
On Edit: To duct the exhaust, you need to use a non-SPI cylinder. Your exhaust manifold will prevent the SPI from drawing in fresh air at TDC.
How depends on which engine. On the rotary valved engines you can drip fuel into the intake, or turn the prop with your finger over the intake to suck fuel in (good idea to fill the fuel line this way anyhow). The sure starts have a choke tube so this also works on them. (or you can just drip some fuel down the tube if it is pointed upward) On the tanked engines the intake is not normally accessible. If, however, you could seal the intake to the firewall and run a tube through the firewall to an accessible location, you could do it. It would need to be around 1/4" ID or maybe a little more to avoid restricting the intake enough to hurt power.
Some of the cox cars had exhaust manifolds on them. There was usually a small hole to prime through. I think some of the factory mufflers had shutters you could open for priming or a little power boost if you were flying where the neighbors wouldn't complain. I've even seen that on some larger engines. (Some Enyas for example)
One way to prime is to hold your finger over the second vent on the tank and apply a little pressure with your fueling bulb or syringe. This will pressurize the tank and force fuel into the engine intake. This works on nearly anything, but it is easy to overdo it and end up with a hard-to-start flooded engine. Bladder tanks are normally done this way by default.
On Edit: To duct the exhaust, you need to use a non-SPI cylinder. Your exhaust manifold will prevent the SPI from drawing in fresh air at TDC.
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Re: .049 starting?
First set the needle to the proper preset...this varies between engines but a stock Cox .049 is 2 1/2 to 4 1/2 turns out depending on fuel, engine set up, etc.
If you are using a reedy without a choke tube and use a spring starter. 5-10 flips will prime the cylinder for starting. Hook up your glow igniter and go for it.
If you have a front rotor engine or a reedy with a choke tube put your finger over and deliberately pull the prop through 3-4 times. There may be fuel standing on the rotor, but there might not. Next hook up your glow igniter and pull the prop through deliberately (DON'T LET GO) until you feel the engine pop. With an .049 you will have no problem hanging on to the prop through ignition (with a .40 you can do this too) but if you let go while pulling it might bite. Now we have established case and cylinder prime. (You can pull the prop through a couple more times and see if it pops every stroke, or every other stroke. Either state means the needle is in the ballpark and should start). Now pull it through the non-popping stroke, and set up, then flip it to start.
Phil
If you are using a reedy without a choke tube and use a spring starter. 5-10 flips will prime the cylinder for starting. Hook up your glow igniter and go for it.
If you have a front rotor engine or a reedy with a choke tube put your finger over and deliberately pull the prop through 3-4 times. There may be fuel standing on the rotor, but there might not. Next hook up your glow igniter and pull the prop through deliberately (DON'T LET GO) until you feel the engine pop. With an .049 you will have no problem hanging on to the prop through ignition (with a .40 you can do this too) but if you let go while pulling it might bite. Now we have established case and cylinder prime. (You can pull the prop through a couple more times and see if it pops every stroke, or every other stroke. Either state means the needle is in the ballpark and should start). Now pull it through the non-popping stroke, and set up, then flip it to start.
Phil
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Re: .049 starting?
Phil is spot on and not really much to add to his post.
I will say that once you do it enough it's almost second nature and you won't even think about starting sequence.
Ron
I will say that once you do it enough it's almost second nature and you won't even think about starting sequence.
Ron
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Re: .049 starting?
Thanks guy's but it's a cox car I am starting.
it has a muffler with the pipe going out under the car.
maybe I can flip the car over drip some fuel down the pipe and turn the motor over a few times and then put it back down on the ground and put the glow starter on and turn the motor over ...I think this will work..just though there may have been a way to start them without doing it this way.
it has a muffler with the pipe going out under the car.
maybe I can flip the car over drip some fuel down the pipe and turn the motor over a few times and then put it back down on the ground and put the glow starter on and turn the motor over ...I think this will work..just though there may have been a way to start them without doing it this way.
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Re: .049 starting?
Does the fan protrude from the undercarriage?
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Re: .049 starting?
Hi it has the snap starter this is it I plugged the top little muffler hole so it wont spray all over.
and also are going to make another one using this but drilling the hole out larger and using a silicone tube to make it exit out the bottom of the chassis.
http://coxengines.ca/cox-.049-muffler.html
and also are going to make another one using this but drilling the hole out larger and using a silicone tube to make it exit out the bottom of the chassis.
http://coxengines.ca/cox-.049-muffler.html
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Re: .049 starting?
I see you have a couple options.
Prime with a small syringe through that little hole in the muffler, or devise a way to turn that knob with a starter. Not the best way to go though.
If it had the plastic fan I was going to recommend using a bike tire (bike upside down crank pedal by hand) to spin the fan really fast.
Edit: I see you plan on plugging that hole. That may affect your engine run. Perhaps you could come up with a plug to cap the hole and have it removable for priming.
Just so you know even if you plug the hole castor will still work it's way out of that style of muffler.
Ron
Prime with a small syringe through that little hole in the muffler, or devise a way to turn that knob with a starter. Not the best way to go though.
If it had the plastic fan I was going to recommend using a bike tire (bike upside down crank pedal by hand) to spin the fan really fast.
Edit: I see you plan on plugging that hole. That may affect your engine run. Perhaps you could come up with a plug to cap the hole and have it removable for priming.
Just so you know even if you plug the hole castor will still work it's way out of that style of muffler.
Ron
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Re: .049 starting?
I think the easiest way would be priming through the carburator. I think you using the sure start snorkel with Bearnies conversion, just drop in some fuel and it should work.
Another possibility is a tank with a pump filler cap (like they using in the bigger rc cars), but in your case space is very limited. Maybe you can build your own fuel tank with a pump filler cap.
I also thought about sealing my engine and exhaust, but it is nearly impossible. I made good experiences with a gasket material which is sadly not available in US.
But if you find a way, please let me know. Can't wait for a video, which scale is this car 1/18?
Good work so far.
Another possibility is a tank with a pump filler cap (like they using in the bigger rc cars), but in your case space is very limited. Maybe you can build your own fuel tank with a pump filler cap.
I also thought about sealing my engine and exhaust, but it is nearly impossible. I made good experiences with a gasket material which is sadly not available in US.
But if you find a way, please let me know. Can't wait for a video, which scale is this car 1/18?
Good work so far.
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Re: .049 starting?
My experience with the muffler that you depict on that car currently was very poor. I also modified it by trying to open the stack as much as possible. In two runs, I realized this was a futile attempt. Although my engine was not in a car, it was a fully cowled speed plane. The fact of the matter was that not only did the power dramatically fall off to the point of useless, it immediately overheated on the ground not allowing for a needle setting. This is a problem with cowled in engines on speed anyhow, I just immediately quit in my attempt and dealt with the mess by fuel proofing the entire inside of the plane. The trade off was far greater than what I was trying to do with my engine. Anytime I see mufflers in use, rarely are they for the benefit of power. Yes, it will do it's job in terms of quieting the engine, but it always makes for a compromise. Ken
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Re: .049 starting?
Duh, I didn't see the carb....yeah prime through that.
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Re: .049 starting?
Choke tube carb. No problem.
I don't think you will have enough space to make a tuned pipe exhaust.
Phil
I don't think you will have enough space to make a tuned pipe exhaust.
Phil
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Re: .049 starting?
Thanks guy's
so a few drops down the carb should do the trick.
so a few drops down the carb should do the trick.
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Re: .049 starting?
I gave you your first reputation Points! I think you are doing great work on this little car. For me it is allways nice to see, that other people share my facsination for cox powered Rc Cars. Looking forward to see a Video
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coxaddicted wrote:I gave you your first reputation Points! I think you are doing great work on this little car. For me it is allways nice to see, that other people share my facsination for cox powered Rc Cars. Looking forward to see a Video
thanks
I guess even with this muffler if it stops half the mess from the oil it will be better than having no muffler at all.
did you ever try the one I linked above ? maybe it seals better than the one I am using I was thinking drilling the hole out larger and using a large silicone tube and putting it in the hole so you can exit the exhaust out the bottom.
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Re: .049 starting?
cribbs74 wrote:Phil is spot on and not really much to add to his post.
I will say that once you do it enough it's almost second nature and you won't even think about starting sequence.
Ron
Before you install the muffler you may want to see if your engine has sub-piston induction design (the bottom skirt of the piston opening a gap in the exhaust port when the piston is driven to the top dead center) as these SPI engines, if equipped with a muffler, will suck in the exhaust gases through the sub-piston gap and run erroneously with a muffler, let alone the sharp reduction in rpm.
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Re: .049 starting?
Have you seen the Cox .049 exhaust collector (not deflector) available (refurbished) at EX Model Engines?
SD
SD
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Re: .049 starting?
SuperDave wrote:Have you seen the Cox .049 exhaust collector (not deflector) available (refurbished) at EX Model Engines?
SD
hi got a link?
thanks
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Re: .049 starting?
balogh wrote:cribbs74 wrote:Phil is spot on and not really much to add to his post.
I will say that once you do it enough it's almost second nature and you won't even think about starting sequence.
Ron
Before you install the muffler you may want to see if your engine has sub-piston induction design (the bottom skirt of the piston opening a gap in the exhaust port when the piston is driven to the top dead center) as these SPI engines, if equipped with a muffler, will suck in the exhaust gases through the sub-piston gap and run erroneously with a muffler, let alone the sharp reduction in rpm.
Hi the motor I am using came with this pipe they guy said it ran fine he had it from a guy who custom did cox motors... it looked all clean and all like it was hardly used.
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Re: .049 starting?
Looking good!
Phil
Phil
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