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Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
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Fireball- Moderate Poster
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
Pretty nice little scratch build. Where'd you find a balloon small enough to blow up inside a ping pong ball? What kind of run time are you getting.
Rusty
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I cut up some aluminum tube, cut pieces of the type balloon they tie into shapes, wrapped and tied mono fishing line several times around that.
Fireball- Moderate Poster
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
Very nice! I like the streamlining!! What type of covering did you use on the wing?
Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
Thanks to both of you. Aero Gloss Sanding Sealer& Dope on 000 silkspan, then rattle can gloss Rustolium. Can't use flat, it's not hot fuel proof. RknRusty, I've not run the engine yet. I picked it up off ebay and had to decide if I was going to use the .049 Medallion, Black Widow or a Golden Bee. I chose the Medallion as not to make the nose too long.
Fireball- Moderate Poster
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
This raises a question for my paint-choice on my Speed Contest model. Rattle-cans of Rustoleum gloss-white (with the stops rust badge) and Rustoleum gold-metallic (with the bright coat badge) are what I'm planning on... but I'm concerned about compatability between the two... and if compatible; whether the "gold" will need a clear (stops rust badge) top-coat, to make it fuel-proof.Fireball wrote:Thanks to both of you. Aero Gloss Sanding Sealer& Dope on 000 silkspan, then rattle can gloss Rustolium. Can't use flat, it's not hot fuel proof.
The "gloss-white" contains Xylene/Acetone... where the "metallic gold" contains Xylene/Toluene.
Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
Roddie:
If you have any doubts I suggest you first EXPERIMENT with a finish before applying it.
SD
If you have any doubts I suggest you first EXPERIMENT with a finish before applying it.
SD
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I've had good luck with white, metallics are not fuel proof. I know Ron shoots clear lusterkote over rustoleum, I would assume that seals it.roddie wrote:This raises a question for my paint-choice on my Speed Contest model. Rattle-cans of Rustoleum gloss-white (with the stops rust badge) and Rustoleum gold-metallic (with the bright coat badge) are what I'm planning on... but I'm concerned about compatability between the two... and if compatible; whether the "gold" will need a clear (stops rust badge) top-coat, to make it fuel-proof.Fireball wrote:Thanks to both of you. Aero Gloss Sanding Sealer& Dope on 000 silkspan, then rattle can gloss Rustolium. Can't use flat, it's not hot fuel proof.
The "gloss-white" contains Xylene/Acetone... where the "metallic gold" contains Xylene/Toluene.
Jim
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I've also read clear Rustoleum is not hot fuel proof like the flat. Only the gloss. I can not speak for the bright or prevents rust badges. You can put the Rustoleum on Aero Gloss but, you can't put Aero Gloss on Rustoleum.
Fireball- Moderate Poster
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I have never even tried to see if Rustoleum is fuel proof on it's own. Some say yes and some say no. I decided to err on the side of caution and just shoot TF clear over it like Jim mentioned.
For 5-6$ a can it's cheap insurance and it works very well. Be sure your Rustoleum is good and cured before you spray it on though.
Ron
For 5-6$ a can it's cheap insurance and it works very well. Be sure your Rustoleum is good and cured before you spray it on though.
Ron
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I've tried clear rustoleum and it's a mess.Fireball wrote:I've also read clear Rustoleum is not hot fuel proof like the flat. Only the gloss. I can not speak for the bright or prevents rust badges. You can put the Rustoleum on Aero Gloss but, you can't put Aero Gloss on Rustoleum.
Jim
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I hope you tested the ping pong ball for fuel resistance...
I haven't tested clear or flat. I have clear "Painter's Touch" to test...but warm weather might need to happen first.
Nice looking baby Ringmaster.
Phil
I haven't tested clear or flat. I have clear "Painter's Touch" to test...but warm weather might need to happen first.
Nice looking baby Ringmaster.
Phil
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
We used the ping pong balls years ago and they were then. I hope their made the same.
Fireball- Moderate Poster
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I use plain Rustoleum non-metallics on some things I'm not particular about and it appears to be pretty fuel resistant and unharmed by exhaust goo. There's a little color on the rag when I clean it with alcohol, so that's telling. But so far, on my oldest Baby Streak and my Shoestring where there are some unprotected painted repairs, neither fuel from exhaust or many many cleanings has made it look bad, and it's still glossy and doesn't melt or stay soft.Cribbs74 wrote:I have never even tried to see if Rustoleum is fuel proof on it's own. Some say yes and some say no. I decided to err on the side of caution and just shoot TF clear over it like Jim mentioned.
For 5-6$ a can it's cheap insurance and it works very well. Be sure your Rustoleum is good and cured before you spray it on though.
Ron
But like Ron says, it's best to spray some TF LustreKote over it, especially where you might spill raw fuel on it. Do it in light applications or it will orange peel the paint, even after weeks of curing in front of a furnace vent. And warm it with hot air or in a pot of hot water until the can is very hot, and it will flow beautifully. I do that with the Rustoleum and the LustreKote, and get nice glassy finishes.
The bare metallics and color changing Rustoleum are instant puke on contatact with fuel.
Rusty
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...and never Ever think about how good you are at something...
while you're doing it!
My Hot Rock & Blues Playlist
...and never Ever think about how good you are at something...
while you're doing it!
My Hot Rock & Blues Playlist
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
Thanks guys... it may be worth building a small sealed "curing enclosure" with a couple of old-fashioned light bulbs inside; to raise the temperature and seal-out dust while the paint dries... could probably control the temp with a dimmer switch on the light bulbs.RknRusty wrote:I use plain Rustoleum non-metallics on some things I'm not particular about and it appears to be pretty fuel resistant and unharmed by exhaust goo. There's a little color on the rag when I clean it with alcohol, so that's telling. But so far, on my oldest Baby Streak and my Shoestring where there are some unprotected painted repairs, neither fuel from exhaust or many many cleanings has made it look bad, and it's still glossy and doesn't melt or stay soft.Cribbs74 wrote:I have never even tried to see if Rustoleum is fuel proof on it's own. Some say yes and some say no. I decided to err on the side of caution and just shoot TF clear over it like Jim mentioned.
For 5-6$ a can it's cheap insurance and it works very well. Be sure your Rustoleum is good and cured before you spray it on though.
Ron
But like Ron says, it's best to spray some TF LustreKote over it, especially where you might spill raw fuel on it. Do it in light applications or it will orange peel the paint, even after weeks of curing in front of a furnace vent. And warm it with hot air or in a pot of hot water until the can is very hot, and it will flow beautifully. I do that with the Rustoleum and the LustreKote, and get nice glassy finishes.
The bare metallics and color changing Rustoleum are instant puke on contatact with fuel.
Rusty
I'll definitely try the TF LustreKote clear as a final sealer... That's really what I needed to know.
Thanks again guys,
Rog
Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I don't know, sounds an awfull lot like an easy bake oven to me.roddie wrote:Thanks guys... it may be worth building a small sealed "curing enclosure" with a couple of old-fashioned light bulbs inside; to raise the temperature and seal-out dust while the paint dries... could probably control the temp with a dimmer switch on the light bulbs.RknRusty wrote:I use plain Rustoleum non-metallics on some things I'm not particular about and it appears to be pretty fuel resistant and unharmed by exhaust goo. There's a little color on the rag when I clean it with alcohol, so that's telling. But so far, on my oldest Baby Streak and my Shoestring where there are some unprotected painted repairs, neither fuel from exhaust or many many cleanings has made it look bad, and it's still glossy and doesn't melt or stay soft.Cribbs74 wrote:I have never even tried to see if Rustoleum is fuel proof on it's own. Some say yes and some say no. I decided to err on the side of caution and just shoot TF clear over it like Jim mentioned.
For 5-6$ a can it's cheap insurance and it works very well. Be sure your Rustoleum is good and cured before you spray it on though.
Ron
But like Ron says, it's best to spray some TF LustreKote over it, especially where you might spill raw fuel on it. Do it in light applications or it will orange peel the paint, even after weeks of curing in front of a furnace vent. And warm it with hot air or in a pot of hot water until the can is very hot, and it will flow beautifully. I do that with the Rustoleum and the LustreKote, and get nice glassy finishes.
The bare metallics and color changing Rustoleum are instant puke on contatact with fuel.
Rusty
I'll definitely try the TF LustreKote clear as a final sealer... That's really what I needed to know.
Thanks again guys,
Rog
Jim
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
I use this paint extensively anymore. It takes a bit of trial and error to get it right. The finishes I've achieved though have been incredibly nice. I use nitro for the majority of my 1/2A's in the 40-50% range and I found this paint to withstand raw fuel directly on it. Very little paint is required but it takes a series of coats to attain depth and coverage. Approx 5-6 coats. This paint defies all other paints in terms of using it. It shines better on humid days whereas the others would blush or turn milky white on you. It can be recoated prior to the first coat being dry. It goes on with a sponge brush. I use distilled water to thin the paint.
One thing I found out the hard way. I was cleaning the sponge brushes in soapy water typically dish detergent. These soaps are highly concentrated and almost impossible to rinse out of the sponges. Soap reduces the surface tension of water as well. When the paint was being applied it would go on beautifully and minutes later it was just running off due to the reduced surface tension in the water.
It does take a lot of practice but it can be thinned with water. I've used the water based epoxy primer which sands beautifully. I've yet to see a dope finish stand the test of time where this stuff does. Jerry Nelson was the owner and this is when I purchased my product, since then John Diselets purchased the business and I've yet to purchase from him. We have exchanged e-mails however and I'm due to buy some more. For those interested, it practically has no smell, dries in a few minutes. I've flown the following day. http://www.nelsonhobby.com/hobby_paint.php Ken
One thing I found out the hard way. I was cleaning the sponge brushes in soapy water typically dish detergent. These soaps are highly concentrated and almost impossible to rinse out of the sponges. Soap reduces the surface tension of water as well. When the paint was being applied it would go on beautifully and minutes later it was just running off due to the reduced surface tension in the water.
It does take a lot of practice but it can be thinned with water. I've used the water based epoxy primer which sands beautifully. I've yet to see a dope finish stand the test of time where this stuff does. Jerry Nelson was the owner and this is when I purchased my product, since then John Diselets purchased the business and I've yet to purchase from him. We have exchanged e-mails however and I'm due to buy some more. For those interested, it practically has no smell, dries in a few minutes. I've flown the following day. http://www.nelsonhobby.com/hobby_paint.php Ken
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Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
Ken Cook wrote: I use this paint extensively anymore. It takes a bit of trial and error to get it right. The finishes I've achieved though have been incredibly nice. I use nitro for the majority of my 1/2A's in the 40-50% range and I found this paint to withstand raw fuel directly on it. Very little paint is required but it takes a series of coats to attain depth and coverage. Approx 5-6 coats. This paint defies all other paints in terms of using it. It shines better on humid days whereas the others would blush or turn milky white on you. It can be recoated prior to the first coat being dry. It goes on with a sponge brush. I use distilled water to thin the paint.
One thing I found out the hard way. I was cleaning the sponge brushes in soapy water typically dish detergent. These soaps are highly concentrated and almost impossible to rinse out of the sponges. Soap reduces the surface tension of water as well. When the paint was being applied it would go on beautifully and minutes later it was just running off due to the reduced surface tension in the water.
It does take a lot of practice but it can be thinned with water. I've used the water based epoxy primer which sands beautifully. I've yet to see a dope finish stand the test of time where this stuff does. Jerry Nelson was the owner and this is when I purchased my product, since then John Diselets purchased the business and I've yet to purchase from him. We have exchanged e-mails however and I'm due to buy some more. For those interested, it practically has no smell, dries in a few minutes. I've flown the following day. http://www.nelsonhobby.com/hobby_paint.php Ken
Ken, I think you mentioned this in short, a few weeks ago... possibly in the thread about Butyrate dope. This product seems like something we should all consider trying... at least.
Re: Scratch Built Baby Ringmaster.
My Super Ringmaster, S-6, is not quite so sticky, now. I cleared it with Rustoleum, and it was in NO WAY fuel proof. (didn't know that, then- the colors I use have been fine.) I used everything to try to remove the clear, and get back down to just the dope! It was not an incompatability problem-it was just that the Rustoleum was not tolerant to fuel, or exhaust. Don't cheap-out! Use the right stuff!
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How much does it weigh?
How much does it weigh? And what is the wing area? Will you post the plans? I had one many years ago and am thinking of using the design for an RC.
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