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WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
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WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
I'm looking for the correct crankcase for my Babe Bee, late 50s early 60's.
Cox parts
I have a bunch of cases. Can you send me a picture of what your looking for to jsesere@yahoo.com or I can send pictures of what I have.
Joe
Joe
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Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
I have a bunch of those.
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Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
Left: 1958-1968(?) Right: 1956
The 1957 seems to be in between those 2 being more curved then the right and less curved then the left.
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Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
If he contacts me I can send him pictures of what I have.
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Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
jsesere wrote:If he contacts me I can send him pictures of what I have.
Have you ever figured out how to post images? I have somewhat revised the steps if you want to take a look at them again. http://coxengineforum.forumakers.com/t367-how-to-post-an-image-in-a-topic
Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
I tried it again and got it to work. Tks.
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Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
Mudhen wrote:I'm not sure this is correct. It may just be wear, or a slight difference between the cutters.Admin wrote:
The 1957 seems to be in between those 2 being more curved then the right and less curved then the left.
The way I date the crankcase, particularly those made before the starter spring groove in Mark's picture is this:
There are three differences
1. No oil groove inside the crankshaft bore.
2. An oil groove, but with only one access channel.
3. An oil groove with two access channels.
To know what I mean by "access channel" look inside the crankcase where the crakshaft enters the bore. You should see:
A. One small vertical groove. (at the 12:00 o'clock position)
B. Two small vertical grooves. (One at 12:00, the other at 6:00)
C. No vertical groove means no oil groove inside the bore.
The vertical grooves are the access channels that allow oil into the bore for lubrication.
Mud
From the last 20+ known 1956 Babe Bees (from packaging they were in and other obvious details) I have seen in person (overpriced at hobby shows) they all had the "less curved" cases without the spring grove. The case on the left above is originally from my 3 piece piston babe bee but the whole side of the case is corroded. The case is not worn, it actually looks like the little engine was played with once and put away in a bad place where is was allowed to come in contact with the wrong stuff. Mud, have you noticed the case neck difference between the 1956-1959-1962 cases with your samples?
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Hi Mud,
Hope you had a great Christmas! This is great information, I had no idea about the oil grooves. Do you have any dates on the Engineering Changes?
I photo'd three cases (L-R) the first has no grooves and the front of the case is actually the most narrow with the least taper, the second is the single groove (I anodized) and third is the double. I remember Sitter and Tin Daniels both saying that the case tapered varied.
take care,
Mark
P.S. I'm still mad at myself for tearing down a 'decent' looking, early Babe Bee and scattering the parts...that had a black rubber pickup tube and countersunk slot head screws thinking they were added by someone, when it more then likely it was a first version!
Hope you had a great Christmas! This is great information, I had no idea about the oil grooves. Do you have any dates on the Engineering Changes?
I photo'd three cases (L-R) the first has no grooves and the front of the case is actually the most narrow with the least taper, the second is the single groove (I anodized) and third is the double. I remember Sitter and Tin Daniels both saying that the case tapered varied.
take care,
Mark
P.S. I'm still mad at myself for tearing down a 'decent' looking, early Babe Bee and scattering the parts...that had a black rubber pickup tube and countersunk slot head screws thinking they were added by someone, when it more then likely it was a first version!
Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
I think I have found one through one of the board members on here, I'll keep you posted.
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Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
Hi Mud,
About the oil grooves, did you have any dates on the Engineering Changes?
I wish I did have a gazillion parts. I've been lucky to know some really great engine collectors over the years...including a couple really knowledgeable collector/historians!
Mark
About the oil grooves, did you have any dates on the Engineering Changes?
I wish I did have a gazillion parts. I've been lucky to know some really great engine collectors over the years...including a couple really knowledgeable collector/historians!
Mark
Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
A pic someone was asking for, thanks to my wife for the pic
Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
lol I was thinking
Those hands do not look like an mans lol.
Those hands do not look like an mans lol.
Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
WingingIt74 wrote:I said my wife No, LOL, they are not mine...
lol I know I read that.
Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
I've been told it's not a 1958, as it's from 1960-1962: It has "Thimble-Drome" on the tank, a stamped-in venturi screen - but without "Made in USA" on the air channel, and it should not have the starter spring groove on the crankcase.
Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
Does the case have the starter spring groove? Also is there a number on the cylinder? If so it's probably newer then '62 up to when the lettering appeared on tank backplate '65-67'(?) ....HELP MUD!!!!!
The 'pinned' venturi screen appeared some time around '61-'62. Here's a photo of a Babe Bee removed from a Cox 1911 Curtis. The screen was wedged in place.
The 'pinned' venturi screen appeared some time around '61-'62. Here's a photo of a Babe Bee removed from a Cox 1911 Curtis. The screen was wedged in place.
Re: WTB: Correct Crankcase for '58 Babe Bee
WARNING: WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE MAY BE DISTURBING!
Corroded 1956 Babe Bee crankcase, this is clearly the only reason why it is not on the original engine.
No oil groves and you can also see there is no spring grove. Yes, the case cracked and broke apart when one of the screws was being removed, even after several other steps were being taken to remove the tight screw.
Corroded right through the case!
Light seen shining through the hole.
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nitroairplane wrote:That is one abused bee!
Ouch!!!
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