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rsv1cox Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:13 pm

FEDEX delivers on Sunday.

Picked up the box and everything rattles. Nothing secured with interior packing and the Gilbert carton not boxed.

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Thankfully everything seems ok except the yellow bomb.

Undisclosed hidden goodies not shown in the sellers ad.

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And, a pleasent surprise, a Gilbert 7.

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I don't think that it's been ran.

rdw777 Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:11 pm

Neat looking airplane…. I like the Gilberts, look like they mean business with those twin stacks!…. I just wish Nitro XX was still on the shelves in department stores lol!

rsv1cox Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:25 pm

rdw777 wrote:Neat looking airplane…. I like the Gilberts, look like they mean business with those twin stacks!…. I just wish Nitro XX was still on the shelves in department stores

Hmm, I thought Nitro XX was sold in liquor stores. Smile

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Bob

Ken Cook Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:32 pm

Stay thirsty my friends!!!!

MauricioB Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:25 am

Beto, what a beautiful model and it's good that you can get those beautiful collector's pieces.
Let's see maybe you can help me so I learn more about the history of model airplanes.
So at the time of Cox there was also Gilbert, I would like to know all the companies of the time that were active for example:
Cox
Gilbert
McCoy
???
???
Can you help me with this?

**Admin** Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:10 am

I hope that seller got an earful on the packing job. Could've gone much worse, other than the contents flying around back and forth, why would you want the original box all worn and tattered from shipping? Also, that thin cardstock isn't even good for shipping alone.

Nice find anyway. RC Plane

Is the fuel can full?

getback Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:56 am

Glad its not more than a bomb broken, yea was wondering the same about the Nitro XX can FULL? What plane is that Bob and the apparatus at the lead outs must bee for bomb release ? Pumpkin

rsv1cox Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:21 am

MauricioB wrote:Beto, what a beautiful model and it's good that you can get those beautiful collector's pieces.
Let's see maybe you can help me so I learn more about the history of model airplanes.
So at the time of Cox there was also Gilbert, I would like to know all the companies of the time that were active for example:
Cox
Gilbert
McCoy
???
???
Can you help me with this?

There were a few Mauricio, Wen Mac is the big one, also Comet and Aurora all nitro and electric powered. The variety was in the different models that each offered. I could never collect them all.

There were many, many non-powered plastic kit manufacturers. Perhaps others will chime in with additional models.

rsv1cox Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:48 am

Ken Cook wrote: Stay thirsty my friends!!!!

Yes, One of the best TV commercials ever!

rsv1cox Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:02 am

getback wrote:Glad its not more than a bomb broken, yea was wondering the same about the Nitro XX can FULL? What plane is that Bob and the apparatus at the lead outs must bee for bomb release ?

Unopened. I tried to unscrew the cap and couldn't. Contents have turned to gel. Midwest, I don't think Gilbert made their own fuel, no battery included. Fuel container fits in the compartment.

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New but dusty. Engine locked probably from factory. Fuel tank/engine compartment is clean. Easiest disassembly that I have ever done.

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Typical Gilbert attention to decal, most just bend or let the control rod rub on the post. Contents inventory stamped on envelopes. I added the missing leadouts. Thanks Kim.

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Decals:

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I will print them out on waterslide and/or vinyl.

**944_Jim** Mon Oct 17, 2022 2:38 pm

Bob,

Congrats on the latest addition!

I'm surprised to see the tank so low compared to the center of the venturi where the spraybar passes through. I can only assume Glibert didn't think this plane would ever get inverted.

I mention this because ever since you (or someone in one of your Gbert threads) mentioned an All American Jr with a Gilbert .11 would be cool, I've been studying the plan for ways to get a tank high just behind and centered on the NVA. I'm thinking moving the wing down a good bit, and popping the tank above the wing. Off to study some more!

rsv1cox Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:36 pm

Do it Jim. It would be interesting. These must run well as manufactured, Kim had one running not long ago and the models that I have have been run and flown many times if castor staining is an indicator.

Oldenginerod Tue Oct 18, 2022 5:38 am

I haven't experienced it myself, but I heard somewhere that Gilbert designed the low fuel tank to prevent fuel from siphoning down the intake tube. I've always found that the Gilberts seem to draw their fuel fairly well. They're an over-square engine which is unusual for a side-port and they do like to turn up the RPMs. They don't like to be loaded up with too large a prop. This probably helps the fuel draw.

rsv1cox Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:01 am

Found one of the original line connectors by shaking out the box. Instructions for loading the bomb for Eric, and the target with the nitro can for perspective. Gave the locked-up engine a Berryman's bath, rinse and Remoil/after run oil finish. Starter works and great compression pop.

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Exhaust stacks go on after the fuselage's top is installed.

Mark Boesen Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:49 pm

MauricioB wrote:Beto, what a beautiful model and it's good that you can get those beautiful collector's pieces.
Let's see maybe you can help me so I learn more about the history of model airplanes.
So at the time of Cox there was also Gilbert, I would like to know all the companies of the time that were active for example:
Cox
Gilbert
McCoy
???
???
Can you help me with this?

Early 60's was probably the zenith for gas powered plastic toys, Cox would soon dominate the market and Gilbert, Aurora and Comet would be done by 1964.
You had:
Aurora- planes, engine was K&B, owned by Aurora
Comet- planes and cars, Herkimer OK Cub & Fox engines
Cox- planes, cars, boats & engines
Gilbert- planes, engines
Herkimer- engines (Cub Trainer)
Wen-Mac- planes, cars, boats & engines ('67 became Testors)
McCoy- 'Rocket Racer' mid fifties (see photo) and .049 engine, later bought by Testors and they used 'McCoy' name on their engines.

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rsv1cox Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:48 am

Thanks Mark for chiming in.

It's the off-brands that are the most interesting and collectible. Checking ebay there are pages and pages of Cox and Wen Mac products. No so many of the others. In fact it's rare to find a Gilbert, Comet, or McCoy.

rdw777 Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:27 pm

What a change from when kids were allowed to play with “Just like a guided missile on wheels” and Nitro XX lol!

Nowadays it may be a foreign made drone with plastic cages around its soft props so no fingers are offended lol!

rsv1cox Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:53 pm

Plane is done, clean as a whistle and as new. Unlike most of my endeavors, not much of a job.

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When things are reasonably simple I can do a really good job. Gilberts fuel tanks are a lesson in ingenuity and the best that I have seen. The molded in tanks of others are a poor substitute in every way except economy.

I replaced the fuel line but saved the eyelet, another Gilbert attention to detail. They also put a standard washer and a star lock washer on their engine mounting screws as they did on their higher priced 11 models.

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Mark Boesen Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:50 pm

it turned out great!!!!!

Mark Boesen Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:52 pm

rsv1cox wrote:Thanks Mark for chiming in.

It's the off-brands that are the most interesting and collectible. Checking ebay there are pages and pages of Cox and Wen Mac products. No so many of the others. In fact it's rare to find a Gilbert, Comet, or McCoy.

It's like Mudhen used to talk about 'the rabbit hole' those other brands just give us more options and the adventure of discovery!

rsv1cox Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:01 pm

Mark Boesen wrote:it turned out great!!!!!

Thanks Mark, starting on the box, almost as interesting as the model. Buyer ripped and tore getting into it, but not nearly as bad as some.

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This Gilbert was very nice, required little work. But I haven't given up on the junkyard dogs either. These should be here later this week. Winter projects. I did not have a razorback Cox Mustang. But the Cox Corsair.........groan.... Can't resist the "make an offer" bargain. At least they have canopies.

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Mark Boesen Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:02 pm

rsv1cox wrote:
Ken Cook wrote: Stay thirsty my friends!!!!

Yes, One of the best TV commercials ever!

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Mark Boesen Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:09 pm

rsv1cox wrote:
Mark Boesen wrote:it turned out great!!!!!

Thanks Mark, starting on the box, almost as interesting as the model. Buyer ripped and tore getting into it, but not nearly as bad as some.

This Gilbert was very nice, required little work. But I haven't given up on the junkyard dogs either. These should be here later this week. Winter projects. I did not have a razorback Cox Mustang. But the Cox Corsair.........groan.... Can't resist the "make an offer" bargain.

Wow, nice find! The Corsair is an early one, first or second year (silver rubber spinner) the P-51 looks early as well! You might consider cutting a new tail out of styrene (Hobby Lobby) and spray paint it?

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rsv1cox Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:15 pm

Somebody (you?) did a really nice restoration on that Corsair. I have many both Cox and Wen Mac, they just seem to gravitate toward me. Built a couple from parts. Not beautiful but flyable.

Really looking forward to that P-51.

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