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i sense a resistance in the clip...
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i sense a resistance in the clip...
well, i bought a brand new glow plug clip from ebay that other day (because i almost cut the tip of my finger clean off, when i was using
crocodile clamps) and hooked it up to a d-cell.
though i was using a full battery, the glow plug wouldn't heat up, you coul barely see it shimmering.
then, i connected my other starter with the crocodile clamps directly to the copper fins of the clip, and it worked.
both cables are undamaged, so i'm guessing that they have a built in resistance, to protect the glow plug or something. what do you guys think?
is there a way i can change the cables without damaging the yellow plastic holder???
crocodile clamps) and hooked it up to a d-cell.
though i was using a full battery, the glow plug wouldn't heat up, you coul barely see it shimmering.
then, i connected my other starter with the crocodile clamps directly to the copper fins of the clip, and it worked.
both cables are undamaged, so i'm guessing that they have a built in resistance, to protect the glow plug or something. what do you guys think?
is there a way i can change the cables without damaging the yellow plastic holder???
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Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
Sounds like you have a loose connection, which is somewhat common in the Cox style clips.
You can slide the two terminals out from the plastic holder and take a look. I would also suggest returning it if it isn't working properly.
Matt.
You can slide the two terminals out from the plastic holder and take a look. I would also suggest returning it if it isn't working properly.
Matt.
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
Are you using only one D cell? Try 2 D cells in parallel, sounds like you need more amps. With a little force, you can pull the contacts out of the end of the plastic. I had to replace the wires once before on one of those clips, it was brand new and it just happened to fly into the prop right when the engine started.
If you are using a battery box, solder the contacts to the battery box. Another thing you can try is to use a file and clean up the end of the clip to remove any corrosion. You can bend the top and bottom contacts apart a bit to create some spring like pressure when you put it on the head. If you still think its the wires, use a multimeter and check the resistance (in fact this is something you should try first).
If you are using a battery box, solder the contacts to the battery box. Another thing you can try is to use a file and clean up the end of the clip to remove any corrosion. You can bend the top and bottom contacts apart a bit to create some spring like pressure when you put it on the head. If you still think its the wires, use a multimeter and check the resistance (in fact this is something you should try first).
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
Great!
Thanks Guys!
I'll try it out.
Some guy told me that they actually used resistance wire to protect the glow plug from the
big dry cell batteries.
I'll post again if it works
Thanks Guys!
I'll try it out.
Some guy told me that they actually used resistance wire to protect the glow plug from the
big dry cell batteries.
I'll post again if it works
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Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
@ jacob
uh, I cant pull the fins out without breaking them.
they are held in place by a little notch that is bent out so it can only be inserted but not pulled out again.
uh, I cant pull the fins out without breaking them.
they are held in place by a little notch that is bent out so it can only be inserted but not pulled out again.
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Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
my cox clip broke so in my earlier youtube videos i used this clip and now i just use crocodile clips.
oooh just realised this is my 100th post
oooh just realised this is my 100th post
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
GermanBeez wrote:@ jacob
uh, I cant pull the fins out without breaking them.
they are held in place by a little notch that is bent out so it can only be inserted but not pulled out again.
Huh, I was able to pull them out with a pliers, they didn't break but they were not that easy to get out. You could try to push them out with a flat head screwdriver while pulling on them with a pliers (not sure how you would hold that, maybe lightly held in a vice). If you cant get them out and you must replace the wires, you could use a dremel tool and cut along the edge of the plastic and then work them out that way. You can use a epoxy or use a CA (cyanoacrylate, super glue) glue to glue the plastic casing back together. Did you check the resistance of the wires to see if it is the wires that are causing the problem. The problems I mostly have with them is the contact between the head and the clip contacts and or the contact between the wires and the battery box. I am currently using a clip with its original wires and I don't seem to have any issue. I just checked the wires with a multimeter and I get a reading of 0 so mine doesn't appear to have any resistance. Test the connection of the clip on the head with a multimeter.
Hope you get it working
Congrats about your 100th post, keep going, there are more ranks! It doesn't just stop at gold member.
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
nitroairplane wrote:really whats the next? Diamond
Platinum
Had to tape up a star
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
I'm partial to the Sullivan style clip, but it is somewhat limited in engines smaller than 049.
Matt
Matt
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
You see that no use for me as I run .010's a LOT but I don't find the cox one very good either because it is still a little large I find the crodile clips to be fine but they make adjusting the needle valve harder as they don't leave much space.
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
I have toyed with the idea of making terminals that would screw onto the Sullivan style clip that would allow easy starting for 010/020. The only problem is the demand for those engines.
Matt
Matt
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nitroairplane wrote: i like that but really is there another rank?
Yeah, just to keep it going. It'll stop somewhere.
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@Jacob OK and Matt it is true I suppose that I te main problem for getting parts and accessories for cox engines but I'm still convinced a killer crank for the .010 would sell. But I suppose you need to sell like 1000 to male it worth while well thats what Beenie told me.
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
alright, i managed to get the fins out by sticking a needle in there and bending the notches back up.
Then i installed new cables and- hey presto! Works great. I just did a test run with my babe bee using the starter, and
after i cleaned it up, i finally found the cylinder number on the side of the engine. because there is a 1 etched onto the side, i am guessing
this is a thin wall no1 cylinder. can anybody estimate its production year by the cylinder marking? i think it has to be an early model...
Then i installed new cables and- hey presto! Works great. I just did a test run with my babe bee using the starter, and
after i cleaned it up, i finally found the cylinder number on the side of the engine. because there is a 1 etched onto the side, i am guessing
this is a thin wall no1 cylinder. can anybody estimate its production year by the cylinder marking? i think it has to be an early model...
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Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
I am not sure what the break even would be on that part. It would be have to be 1000 pieces as an absolute minimum order though. Otherwise the cost/unit would be too high.
I'll have another look at the clips though as that is something I could probably do myself.
Matt
I'll have another look at the clips though as that is something I could probably do myself.
Matt
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Late 50's early 60's maybe but that is if the cylinder is original but that is just from what I have heard about cylinder numbers.
Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
the cylinder must be, because i cant see any marks in the black anodization from the wrench.
you want to move to live chat?
you want to move to live chat?
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Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
GermanBeez wrote:the cylinder must be, because i cant see any marks in the black anodization from the wrench.
you want to move to live chat?
Numbers and cylinder wall thickness>
http://sites.google.com/site/coxenginecollection/thinner-cylinder
http://sites.google.com/site/coxenginecollection/choosing-a-cylinder
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wow, thats really confusing...it is definitly a cylinder like the one in the picture on the right, but it also has double bypasses...
could it be a super bee product engine???
i heard they made this specific engine for one or two models with thin cylinders and double bypasses....
could it be a super bee product engine???
i heard they made this specific engine for one or two models with thin cylinders and double bypasses....
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Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
w00t!!
300th post in teh forum!!! lol
300th post in teh forum!!! lol
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Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
GermanBeez wrote:wow, thats really confusing...it is definitly a cylinder like the one in the picture on the right, but it also has double bypasses...
could it be a super bee product engine???
i heard they made this specific engine for one or two models with thin cylinders and double bypasses....
Did you say it was a #1 cylinder? What did you take the cylinder off? Usually if it is a #1, it was off a Black Widow or a #290 product engine.
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what is a 290 product engine??? a super bee?
i've uploaded some picks into the vintage engines gallery, including some minor scratch marks on the cylinder.
maybe you could have a look at it.
i've uploaded some picks into the vintage engines gallery, including some minor scratch marks on the cylinder.
maybe you could have a look at it.
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Re: i sense a resistance in the clip...
here's a picture of the 290 off of Martin Hepperle's site
It could be a Super Bee or it could be a Babe Bee with a early Black Widow cylinder on it. The for sure real Super Bee engines I have seen before had a "P-40" stamped on the side of the cylinder. I have also seen many engines with a un-anodized 8cc stunt tank being called a Super bee before, but I know those are NOT super bee engines.
You may have a later, close to end of production Super Bee since the P-40 cylinder seems to match the #1 cylinder. I know the Super Bee was made from 1959 to early 1961 but I have read that there was a 1974-75 version of the Super Bee for the P-40 Warhawk model that was available at that time. The engine you have had to be made in the early 60s since it has all the early parts.
It could be a Super Bee or it could be a Babe Bee with a early Black Widow cylinder on it. The for sure real Super Bee engines I have seen before had a "P-40" stamped on the side of the cylinder. I have also seen many engines with a un-anodized 8cc stunt tank being called a Super bee before, but I know those are NOT super bee engines.
You may have a later, close to end of production Super Bee since the P-40 cylinder seems to match the #1 cylinder. I know the Super Bee was made from 1959 to early 1961 but I have read that there was a 1974-75 version of the Super Bee for the P-40 Warhawk model that was available at that time. The engine you have had to be made in the early 60s since it has all the early parts.
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