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Post  MiniatureAircraftFactory on Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:38 am

I bought this back in the early 2000s from a swap meet at the UK BMFA nationals, the instruction sheet and box are written all over and dated a few times in pen as bought in 1970....marked as distributed by A A Hales in the UK, does that age seem about right?

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Post  706jim on Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:26 am

Interesting. I have a few Pee Wee's and none of them came in a box like this one. Also, they all had red tanks. This might have been a product engine from one of Cox's plastic airplanes.
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Post  Oldenginerod on Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:24 pm

I've seen pictures of these plain cardboard boxes before- seems many were sold that way in the UK. Interestingly, the picture on the box shows a red tank but the engine has none, although it has a red prop driver, plus the picture shows a stepped cylinder and the engine has a thin walled. Looks like the engine doesen't match the box/instructions.
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Post  MiniatureAircraftFactory on Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:52 am

It is strange , the engine is not stamped cox on the back plate as well no markings, has a copper reed and a metal reed retainer spring with no crossbar, just the edge bar


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Post  Admin on Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:10 pm

According to the Cox Handbook, the backplate *without* the Cox logo was used before 1968.


Can you take a picture of the reed retainer?

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Post  MiniatureAircraftFactory Yesterday at 4:04 am

Took a bit of time to get a pic as had put engine onto a model but needed to take off today as grass seed in the engine
It is difficult to get a clear picture with the phone of the clip...but its very hard spring steel, wavy as you look at the side view like a crinkle washer i think its 20g or similar wire size
Maybe its home made but looks very well bent o the side view even if a bit wonky from the top view..the wire is very very hard so looks made like this, could be hand made but would have thought not worth the hassle as to buy would have been so low cost to buy.



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Post  Oldenginerod Yesterday at 4:13 am

I would think the clip is home made but I also think it wouldn't work without a cross-bar. The reed would just get sucked right out because the soft copper could bend too much without any centre support.
I could imagine that before the internet Cox parts were probably pretty hard to locate in the UK following their "boom" years, necessitating making replacement parts where possible.

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Post  MiniatureAircraftFactory Yesterday at 5:00 am

Engine does run fine, doesn't fall out surprisingly
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Post  Mark Boesen Yesterday at 9:43 pm

Admin wrote:According to the Cox Handbook, the backplate *without* the Cox logo was used before 1968.


Can you take a picture of the reed retainer?

A very, very reputable source, told me about '64 for the lettering on backplate.

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Post  Mark Boesen Yesterday at 9:59 pm

Oldenginerod wrote:I've seen pictures of these plain cardboard boxes before- seems many were sold that way in the UK.  Interestingly, the picture on the box shows a red tank but the engine has none, although it has a red prop driver, plus the picture shows a stepped cylinder and the engine has a thin walled.  Looks like the engine doesn't match the box/instructions.


Rod, I think you're on to it, this version was sold in the UK under licences from Cox. I wouldn't be surprised if parts got swapped around a little the last 50 years. We know the stepped cylinder came out about '70 and '70 is written on instruction sheet, i'd guess and say about that time frame and also venture to guess its not 100% original.
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Post  Admin Yesterday at 10:09 pm

Very interesting reed retainer. It is possible that someone made it, being an engine sold/used across the pond, perhaps replacement parts were not as readily available as they were in Hobby Shops in the US.

Mark Boesen wrote:

but that's a Babe Bee...does the same apply for the Pee Wee?


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Post  Mark Boesen Yesterday at 10:28 pm

yep, pretty much.
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