One that got away, two that didn't

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Well Mud, you have returned the favor and put me in a good mood.  It's not often that I make the right decision.

"Lump" is a commonly used term in the MG world to describe the various tractor based engines of some MG's.  The 1800CC engine of the MGB in particular.  Especially if it is nasty, dirty, and in need of repair

Thanks to you and Eric for your comments, something I would have never known otherwise.



A lump



A lump cleaned up


Bob

rsv1cox wrote:And this "quiet" engine with a 8cc tank.

I have a question regarding the 'quiet' engine. In its configuration, what seperates it from a Black Widow or Golden Bee? I am assuming the differences between from the Black Widow is teh cylinder? And difference from the Golden Bee the color? Probably a silly question for those with more knowledge, but I myself, am unsure. Thank you.

And of course, the muffler would be a difference from those as well. I am fairly confident on the obvious....

And both are nice looking little engines as well!

NEW222 wrote:And of course, the muffler would be a difference from those as well. I am fairly confident on the obvious....

And both are nice looking little engines as well!

Thanks,  I will let the experts here respond.

But with Cox it must be all about the cylinders, -  induction, sub-induction, single intake with/without flute, double intake with or without flute etc. etc.

 I think all tanks vented/not vented outside of capacity and color were the same. But there were some minor differences regarding the use of starter springs. Cases varied in design and application from the earliest to the latest.  

Then there were the "horseshoes" and "Postage Stamps" etc. etc. etc.

It took a book.  

The Cox handbook is an excellent referance.

"I am assuming the differences between from the Black Widow is teh cylinder? And difference from the Golden Bee the color?"

My best guess too. What attracted me to this engine was the 8cc tank. I hadn't seen a "Quiet" like it before.

Thank you. For such a small, uncomplicated engine, they are sure complicated to identify them all though! I think this is one part that keeps me interested. As well, on used engines, I am sure many have swapped parts here and there along the way. I had always honestly thought all of the Cox engines with the cross flow fuel vents in an 8cc tank configuration were all Black Widows......

NEW222 wrote:Thank you. For such a small, uncomplicated engine, they are sure complicated to identify them all though!  I think this is one part that keeps me interested. As well, on used engines, I am sure many have swapped parts here and there along the way. I had always honestly thought all of the Cox engines with the cross flow fuel vents in an 8cc tank configuration were all Black Widows......

Didn't Golden Bees have them too?



Ohhhh Can't forget the RR1, Purple Python, Copperhead, etc. etc. Frightening.

Sorry, my bad. I should have been a bit more clear on my behalf about the 8cc stunt tanks as is on the Golden Bee and Black Widow. Yes, the Golden Bees had them, but were at least distinguished by being colored. Either black or golden, as per the info I found online.

Actually the Golden Bee with the rear carb had the Tarno carb and the Tarno 1/2AR kit that included the carb/reed adapter, screws, and the metal bracket.
That kit is actually pretty rare and sold separately from the Tarno carb.
All in all $50 plus freight was pretty good and just happened to have run of the mill Golden Bee attached to it.
I started to bid but I already have my share of Tarno .049 carbs , Tarno .09 carbs, and Tarno 1/2AR kits.

Hey Bob.. I'll point this out again.. (not Gospel.. just my findings).... Somewhere along the production line.. Cox decided to make their 8cc integral-tanked/stunt-vented engine (the "Golden Bee") more powerful. I have two Cox Golden Bee engines that have been in my family since new. One of the engines has a larger venturi. The original Golden Bee was simply a "Babe Bee" engine with a larger-capacity fuel-tank.. with venting to permit inverted-flight without the loss of fuel. It had the same size air-intake (.063") as the Babe Bee engine. One of my Golden Bee's has a "larger" air-intake size of .082" evidenced by both; the backplate and the tank's venturi-tube. There's no evidence of any customization. The gold anodizing can be seen inside the larger tank-tube.




My guess is that the engine with the larger air-intake was the predecessor to the Black Widow engine. I don't know if Cox continued to produce the Golden Bee engine.. after the Black Widow was introduced.

Unfortunately.. the cylinder-identification (intake-porting) between my two engines was lost years ago.. which may have been a clue to whether Cox had produced a "high-output" Golden Bee.. just prior to releasing their Black Widow engine. I like to think that I might have a "rare" assembly.. but who knows...??? That tank is my only claim to what "might be" a rare Cox item.

Thanks for posting that again roddie. I actually remembered seeing that description after you posted it again.

Yes, I remember that post too roddie, but anymore my brain is like when your washing machine flips to the spin cycle, all that knowledge just goes down the drain.

Makes me regret selling all my early unmolested used and NIB Golden Bee's. But I still have five, two of which are on my P-38. Will have to take a look and see if I can duplicate your findings.

Bob

You may remember I scored two GB's last December from a hobby shop in Sturbridge, MA. but they both have the std. (.063") air-intake.