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Post  rsv1cox Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:25 pm

Just now browsing around the Gilbert engines:

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If I'm going to collect this stuff..........I'm going to collect this stuff.  Made an offer - Accepted.

These exhaust stacks are actually better suited to my Musketeer as the originals blow right back on the windshield.  Long term effects might not be good. .074 and .11 stacks are not interchangable.

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Post  getback Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:55 am

Where did you get the mufflers from ? I couldn't tell before from the other pic but there isn't much wing area on the Musketeer. Vets Day I would think it would have to fly pretty fat to stay in the air .
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Post  rsv1cox Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:32 am

getback wrote:Where did you get the mufflers from ? I couldn't tell before from the other pic but there isn't much wing area on the Musketeer. Vets Day I would think it would have to fly pretty fat to stay in the air .  

I thought the same thing. Extreme rectangular wing and not airfoiled like two of the others. Not much lift there. To watch their video breaking balloons and dropping bombs you would think otherwise. It's new, never started so I will never know. But were it nasty...........

"Where did you get the mufflers from"

I was just nosing around on ebay - Gilbert "Time ending soonest" when I saw it. 55 minutes left and no bidders but with a "make an offer" option. Nothing to lose I offered about half what the seller was asking and they took it. 100% feedback and quickly I have a tracking number.

On the other hand I also picked up this:

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More my style. Definately not new in the box. The Musketeer will go on the shelf, this will be enjoyed.

Remembered that I had a box for it up in the loft. Been there for years, another ebay buy with a car that I cleaned up, but the box was too cruddy to bring into the house. Dusted it off and "cleaned" it with Pledge. You can't use any water based product "Windex" etc or solvents on a box, but Pledge works well.

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I have an "Aeromite" airplane, going to make a wall display featuring them both. Car pictured is the one that came with it. The "new" one after being cleaned will take it's place on the shelf. I also have an "Aquamite" boat, might work that in as well.

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Post  Marleysky Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:28 am

I believe those "exhaust stacks" were originally on the engines on the Wing Thing. Looking back in time: https://www.coxengineforum.com/t8830-a-c-gilbert-wing-thing#112221
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Post  rsv1cox Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:18 am

Marleysky wrote:I believe those "exhaust stacks" were originally on the engines  on the Wing Thing. Looking back in time: https://www.coxengineforum.com/t8830-a-c-gilbert-wing-thing#112221

Gilbert refers to them as mufflers, but I don't know how much muffling they do. Kim ran his without them.

Adrian in his piece wasn't kind to the Wing Thing. The advertizement for it shows it without them.

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Post  NEW222 Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:52 pm

More traditional of a car. A very forward mounted engine if I do say so! Smile
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Post  rdw777 Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:51 am

The Automite car is really cool…. It’s one wheel drive direct to the engine?…. I bet it would really haul with nothing to gear it down….I can just imagine one of these tearing around the circle…. Mayhem!!!
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Post  getback Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:11 am

would like to see the Aeromite plane fly its cool with that big engine sitting out front like a dragster engine LOL or the car ?? Leaves
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Post  Ken Cook Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:47 am

The Anderson Spitzy has very little power. A terrific free flight engine for those seeking anemic engines. I use them myself. Unfortunately, they're too economic on fuel because the engine can hardly breathe with that tiny venturi. They seemingly run forever even on a eyedropper. I let it run down until there's enough fuel in the fuel line and then I launch. I've never seen one of these RTF planes fly with a Spitzy but I would think the term underwhelming would fit. One of my club members now in his 90's "Sleepy" lost his Dakota at the NATS a few years back with the Spitzy. I really didn't even think that was possible but it ended up quite high and just flew away.
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Post  rsv1cox Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:29 am

rdw777 wrote:The Automite car is really cool…. It’s one wheel drive direct to the engine?…. I bet it would really haul with nothing to gear it down….I can just imagine one of these tearing around the circle…. Mayhem!!!

Yes.  My spare engine shows it.  Some kid had a lot of fun with that tether car.  What it was meant for.

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Family reunion. Automite, Aeromite, Aquamite.

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And Ken. Yes, the .045 Spitzy's venturi is about a third smaller than the .049 Wen Mac. Doesn't make up the difference in displacement. Maybe they did make it smaller for longer runs.

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Post  rdw777 Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:14 pm

Thanks for the detail shots Bob…. Love the simple direct approach… Little car appeals to me for some reason….Certainly not elegant like the Cox Mercedes but cool in its own way…I may have to watch for an opportunity….
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Post  rsv1cox Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:50 pm

rdw777 wrote:Thanks for the detail shots Bob…. Love the simple direct approach… Little car appeals to me for some reason….Certainly not elegant like the Cox Mercedes but cool in its own way…I may have to watch for an opportunity….

Oh, the Cox Mercedes.  I had seventeen of them at one time, wore out my welcome here posting about them.  

The most fascinating Cox product for me ever.  I bought the best of the best, and the worst of the worst.  I enjoyed the worst of the worst a lot more.  Wonderful drivetrain with a working differential.

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I raced old number 2 (the first one I bought) around a tethered circle almost to destruction.  Presently it's held together by chewing gum and bailed hay wire.  Silver is a repaint, and upper left #6 I kept as found. I gave away one and sold nine but kept a sample of the best and the worst.  I still get misty when I think about them.  Smile

But, the little Automite is no slouch.  The engine pod is quite interesting to dissect and it's a strong well made piece.  The Cox Mercedes is on the fragile side and subject to shedding windshield and rear view mirrors along with suspension pieces.

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Post  rdw777 Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:30 pm

Looks like no 2 got off the line or hit a bad bump!!!.. O the carnage lol!…. Neat to see the Automite with the Cox’s…. I suspected it was a little smaller …. Please share any further rehabs Very Happy
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Post  rsv1cox Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:32 pm

rdw777 wrote:Looks like no 2 got off the line or hit a bad bump!!!.. O the carnage lol!…. Neat to see the Automite with the Cox’s…. I suspected it was a little smaller …. Please share any further rehabs Very Happy

An oldie.

Received this one with a modified front suspension.  Seller replaced the plastic parts with brass leaf.  Horrible, didn't work.  My son suggested springs.  I have lot's of springs left over from my old gunsmithing days.  Took a while but I found the right combination that works better than the originals.  Nut on top adjusts tension.

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Probably won't be any more additionals, I have had my fill of the Cox Mercedes.

Old number 2 as received

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Post  rdw777 Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:56 am

Those are really neat cars Bob, nicely engineered…I’m sure many young men learned a lot by running and maintaining those cars…. The Mercedes has many features true to automotive in general…I know I got my first revelation of how an engine worked as about a 6 yo seeing the piston move up and down thru the open ports of a Cox engine ..

On the Automite; I wonder how the crankshafts stood up to that drive arrangement…, I know Cox had a thicker crank even on their gear drive cars…. I guess the AM was a lot lighter which may have helped…
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Post  getback Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:21 am

Shoot Robert tell you what got me was the Mercedes even has a plug for oil in the rear end ! And it was wild to see how Bob got some of them in need of Better/improvements and took care of business as always cheers
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Post  GallopingGhostler Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:50 pm

rsv1cox wrote:Something you don't see very often 074_gi10

If I'm going to collect this stuff..........I'm going to collect this stuff.  Made an offer - Accepted. These exhaust stacks are actually better suited to my Musketeer as the originals blow right back on the windshield.  Long term effects might not be good. .074 and .11 stacks are not interchangable.
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I like the .074 short stack mufflers, glow splatter probably not much different than the Cox circular exhaust port muffler. Nature of the beast, with an upright mounted engine, windshield will get spattered no matter the muffler, Cox RTF's included. But, the short stack does have its appeal, very functional and light weight.

Saw some concern over the smaller wing area of the Musketeer, but the .074 had the power of the Cox .049 Babe Bee, so wing area seems in line with other half-A non-high performance engine powered models, probably similar in wing area to my short lived Piper L-4 Grasshopper with 190 red postage stamp engine.
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