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Joined a CL Club.
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Joined a CL Club.
Finally joined a CL Aero modelling club and am flying with the club on saturdays at their flying ground. I have returned to the city as my oncologist has told me the covid anti-virals and known methods of treatment and the covid jabs are now good enough that I will definately survive Covid if and when I get it in the city. Which was definately not the case previously when I had to remain isolated out in the bush.
The club has plenty of room for six ( 6 ) circles to be flying at one time in grassed park lands in the city not more than 20 minutes drive from home. The members were flying quite large stunt planes with quite large engines and the Ukranian combat wings with Fora diesel engines.
A friend is a member and took me and introduced me to those that were there. Was great:cheers: they explained how they setup the pits with the handles all running straight out from the wing at 90 deg to the plane sitting on the painted pit line. Lots of bits and pieces, but nothing really new or unexpected as all was expected as I had gathered over time from many of Ken's @Ken Cook threads.
They were all a bit bemused by my having a Cox 049 TD in a home made and home designed plane. Especially the way I finnish them. My steel lines and handle (with thong) and tube over line clips at handle and leadout etc. passed the safety test, so I was clear to fly. Nobody was in any way rude. But they were surprised at the length of the lines I intended to use ( 42 ft. ) on a quite windy day where many of them were choosing not to fly.
I had taken my home designed and built X1202A plane, which I can fly loops, wingovers and lazy eights with. They were absolutely amazed that such a plane with a little Cox engine could do loops, wingovers and lazy eights. given the wind, and many of them electing not to fly because of it, I had to fly my best to get those manauveres in on a day where my plane was lifting approx 5 feet when I came into the wind.
Glad I had a really (for me) good flight, as it was an ice breaker socially for me with other members as they all started telling me how they started with Cox engines and mainly the Pt19.
Second week I went out members wanted to see my plane fly and many who could fly the full pattern and also some combat dudes seemed quite amazed at what a little home-made plane could do, on what they thought were such long lines for such a small plane and engine.
I suspect many start with a Cox plane but move on to bigger engines and Kit models before they learn to even do loops and wingovers and lazy eights on the Cox models so they assume the half A planes cant do them. I am sure many of the members who are awesome pilots and can fly the full pattern would actually be able to fly my plane better than I could.
Although my plane is fairly ratty, it flew really well, and the engine started first go, and whilst it was a very unusual plane to them, I got points ( credit ) for having designed and built from scratch, so that was good. I will never be a stunt pilot or combat pilot, its just not me. I love flying Half A and I really enjoy designing, building, flying, my own Half a slab profiles.
I also really enjoyed second week out there a number of pilots asking me to help them launch their stunt planes and explaining to me how and what to do and being involved in all that was going on.
So good to spend a day with like minded people doing a fun hobby together. Especially after so long totally isolated. It was great to be with people having fun again.
The club has plenty of room for six ( 6 ) circles to be flying at one time in grassed park lands in the city not more than 20 minutes drive from home. The members were flying quite large stunt planes with quite large engines and the Ukranian combat wings with Fora diesel engines.
A friend is a member and took me and introduced me to those that were there. Was great:cheers: they explained how they setup the pits with the handles all running straight out from the wing at 90 deg to the plane sitting on the painted pit line. Lots of bits and pieces, but nothing really new or unexpected as all was expected as I had gathered over time from many of Ken's @Ken Cook threads.
They were all a bit bemused by my having a Cox 049 TD in a home made and home designed plane. Especially the way I finnish them. My steel lines and handle (with thong) and tube over line clips at handle and leadout etc. passed the safety test, so I was clear to fly. Nobody was in any way rude. But they were surprised at the length of the lines I intended to use ( 42 ft. ) on a quite windy day where many of them were choosing not to fly.
I had taken my home designed and built X1202A plane, which I can fly loops, wingovers and lazy eights with. They were absolutely amazed that such a plane with a little Cox engine could do loops, wingovers and lazy eights. given the wind, and many of them electing not to fly because of it, I had to fly my best to get those manauveres in on a day where my plane was lifting approx 5 feet when I came into the wind.
Glad I had a really (for me) good flight, as it was an ice breaker socially for me with other members as they all started telling me how they started with Cox engines and mainly the Pt19.
Second week I went out members wanted to see my plane fly and many who could fly the full pattern and also some combat dudes seemed quite amazed at what a little home-made plane could do, on what they thought were such long lines for such a small plane and engine.
I suspect many start with a Cox plane but move on to bigger engines and Kit models before they learn to even do loops and wingovers and lazy eights on the Cox models so they assume the half A planes cant do them. I am sure many of the members who are awesome pilots and can fly the full pattern would actually be able to fly my plane better than I could.
Although my plane is fairly ratty, it flew really well, and the engine started first go, and whilst it was a very unusual plane to them, I got points ( credit ) for having designed and built from scratch, so that was good. I will never be a stunt pilot or combat pilot, its just not me. I love flying Half A and I really enjoy designing, building, flying, my own Half a slab profiles.
I also really enjoyed second week out there a number of pilots asking me to help them launch their stunt planes and explaining to me how and what to do and being involved in all that was going on.
So good to spend a day with like minded people doing a fun hobby together. Especially after so long totally isolated. It was great to be with people having fun again.
Yabby- Platinum Member
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Join date : 2021-06-08
Location : Yorke Peninsula South Australia
Re: Joined a CL Club.
Good for you Gary! Glad that you're well enough to be out there having fun!! I enjoyed reading about your outing, being able to participate with other flyers. Good stuff!!!
Re: Joined a CL Club.
thanks Roddie I have never flown with a club before, but when I was young I used to fly with other people, and its been so good to fly with a club/group of people again and share the enjoyment of flying control line planes. A few members even said they might dig out there old Half A planes and bring them out for a fly.
The club is probably like most in that there are the stunt guys and the combat dudes. I enjoy watching both, though I probably like combat a bit better. Even a combat plane being flown through the pattern appeals to me more to watch than a stunt plane doing the pattern. I think I just like that more frantic, sharp manauvering of the combat planes.
Competition is not my thing anymore. Im a social have fun flying person, but happy to help around the place when they hold competitions. I finished competing when I finished racing GP bikes. The great thing is the club is happy to have the competition members and the social flying members. and I am very thankful to be well enough to be out flying socially with a club!. after so long in isolation its something I really appreciate and enjoy.
The club is probably like most in that there are the stunt guys and the combat dudes. I enjoy watching both, though I probably like combat a bit better. Even a combat plane being flown through the pattern appeals to me more to watch than a stunt plane doing the pattern. I think I just like that more frantic, sharp manauvering of the combat planes.
Competition is not my thing anymore. Im a social have fun flying person, but happy to help around the place when they hold competitions. I finished competing when I finished racing GP bikes. The great thing is the club is happy to have the competition members and the social flying members. and I am very thankful to be well enough to be out flying socially with a club!. after so long in isolation its something I really appreciate and enjoy.
Yabby- Platinum Member
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Join date : 2021-06-08
Location : Yorke Peninsula South Australia
Re: Joined a CL Club.
Such a great story Yabby and acknowledging Ken's contribution to your modeling success was nice of you.
"Designed and built from scratch"
"Designed and built from scratch"
rsv1cox- Top Poster
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Join date : 2014-08-18
Location : West Virginia
Re: Joined a CL Club.
COOL Deal !! Sounds like you are really enjoying fly at the field and having mind like people involved too. Its the Covid still bad around where you are ? Not so here but they still push the vac. Never been in a club myself and now really can't aford it and the time would bee needed to help out around like mowing and all , but i did use to go to some meets and fly in's they were a lot of fun !
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Location : julian , NC
Re: Joined a CL Club.
Neat story Gary…. Happy that your health forecast is looking up and for your nice experiences with the club…. I really would have liked to have been there when you demo’ed your half A on the long lines… And in the wind no less!!! …. I’ve always appreciated your get’er done mentality and the results show…..Like charging that corner on your bike faster than you know you should ….I don’t doubt that your planes and flying style may stir some interest in your club members to do something similar …. Maybe even some fun fly type competitions…. Have fun with all that friend
Robert
Robert
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Join date : 2021-03-11
Location : West Texas
Re: Joined a CL Club.
thanks Robert @rdw777 , Eric @getback , and Rod @rsv1cox ,
The club yearly fees are only Aust $165.00, so thats about US $110.00 a year and includes public liability insurance, and the local district council does all of the mowing and upkeep of the grounds so there is not much work needing to be done by members as there is no club rooms, we just meet in a pub/hotel monthly. covid is still a problem here but nothing like it was. The main thing is that the methods of treatment has improved hugely for people like myself who are severely immune compromised and we are getting the anti-virals and not needing hospitalisation.
Yes, my planes and flying style did stirr up some comments but they were all positive. My attitude and approach to flying is different to the majority, but I enjoy it and it does no harm and after a while people get used to it.
One of the reasons I struggle to build planes with really nice finishes is that from illness my fingertips have gone/are going numb and it makes some building things difficult to do. But in all honesty, I would still build the same way, as I dont expect long life from my planes. Some members mentioned, my planes really stand out in the air with their bright multi colour sort of tie dyed look. The other thing is when I finish a flight I have always got a grin/smile on my face when I put the handle down after. Thats the advantage of not being a stunt dude trying for perfection. Im just out flying to see what happens each time. no plan. just go for it.
Comments about my planes were mostly word for word exactly what Ken Cook @Ken Cook has told me to do Which I WILL do with my next batch of planes I build. I just havent wrecked all of the others yet. I do, to most experienced pilots annoyance or bemusement, setup my planes in car or motorbike terms with a lot of oversteer. I prefer something that reacts sharply and I need to manage/control it, than something that effectively understeers and cant make it. Nothing can be done with understeer when you are in trouble. But whilst oversteer may get you into trouble it can very often be something that gets you out of trouble. My next planes to be built will be built correctly as per the suggestions of many. Im looking at building a DewyBird, my mate has got one and we are making templates from it, and I have a baby ringmaster profile/Slab which hasnt been flown yet and I am going to move the tank on it and modify the controls as suggested before I fly it.
Some members after my second time flying there, did mention to me that there is a Half A section in the state and I think national titles and it would be cool if I entered so as that the club also was represented in that class. But competition is no longer my thing and I explained that and they were good and understood.
My flying Half A at the club has been very positively received and two other members have said they are going to build some Half A Cox powered models also after seeing - in real life not just on youtube - that they can and do fly well, start easy, arent really that noisy, and are a heap of inexpensive fun to fly. Cox type Half A has a reputation for many things it doesnt deserve. Maybe its because so many half A pilots are beginners that it makes it seem like the engines dont start well and stuff as they are still learning. My experience is a reed valve Cox with a TD cylinder, good battery starts very easily and makes very good power.
The club yearly fees are only Aust $165.00, so thats about US $110.00 a year and includes public liability insurance, and the local district council does all of the mowing and upkeep of the grounds so there is not much work needing to be done by members as there is no club rooms, we just meet in a pub/hotel monthly. covid is still a problem here but nothing like it was. The main thing is that the methods of treatment has improved hugely for people like myself who are severely immune compromised and we are getting the anti-virals and not needing hospitalisation.
Yes, my planes and flying style did stirr up some comments but they were all positive. My attitude and approach to flying is different to the majority, but I enjoy it and it does no harm and after a while people get used to it.
One of the reasons I struggle to build planes with really nice finishes is that from illness my fingertips have gone/are going numb and it makes some building things difficult to do. But in all honesty, I would still build the same way, as I dont expect long life from my planes. Some members mentioned, my planes really stand out in the air with their bright multi colour sort of tie dyed look. The other thing is when I finish a flight I have always got a grin/smile on my face when I put the handle down after. Thats the advantage of not being a stunt dude trying for perfection. Im just out flying to see what happens each time. no plan. just go for it.
Comments about my planes were mostly word for word exactly what Ken Cook @Ken Cook has told me to do Which I WILL do with my next batch of planes I build. I just havent wrecked all of the others yet. I do, to most experienced pilots annoyance or bemusement, setup my planes in car or motorbike terms with a lot of oversteer. I prefer something that reacts sharply and I need to manage/control it, than something that effectively understeers and cant make it. Nothing can be done with understeer when you are in trouble. But whilst oversteer may get you into trouble it can very often be something that gets you out of trouble. My next planes to be built will be built correctly as per the suggestions of many. Im looking at building a DewyBird, my mate has got one and we are making templates from it, and I have a baby ringmaster profile/Slab which hasnt been flown yet and I am going to move the tank on it and modify the controls as suggested before I fly it.
Some members after my second time flying there, did mention to me that there is a Half A section in the state and I think national titles and it would be cool if I entered so as that the club also was represented in that class. But competition is no longer my thing and I explained that and they were good and understood.
My flying Half A at the club has been very positively received and two other members have said they are going to build some Half A Cox powered models also after seeing - in real life not just on youtube - that they can and do fly well, start easy, arent really that noisy, and are a heap of inexpensive fun to fly. Cox type Half A has a reputation for many things it doesnt deserve. Maybe its because so many half A pilots are beginners that it makes it seem like the engines dont start well and stuff as they are still learning. My experience is a reed valve Cox with a TD cylinder, good battery starts very easily and makes very good power.
Yabby- Platinum Member
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Re: Joined a CL Club.
When one is introduced to 1/2A, it's usually due to cost, size of required flying area, and the ease of building. This however is generally short lived. Most don't fully understand the ins and outs of making the engine perform to it's full capability. In addition, some pilots don't understand a lean run as they have to engine screaming to the max. Stunt flyers aren't just elitists . There's lots and lots to learn from them. It takes a lot of discipline and concentration. In addition, it keeps you entirely in tune with your engines. You learn each engines tricks, you know when the engine is too rich, a bit lean, when it's going to start and when it's going to shut off. I dabble in everything and I don't stick to one side of the hobby. I like it all but I spent a considerable amount of time flying stunt. In one way it reminded me of motorcycling. You start out small on a 450, then you find yourself graduating to larger displacements and with each step comes more $$$$. The fun starts to fade away. Maintenance becomes more, fuel costs more, parts cost more. I then found myself saying, I like things the way they were before everything was bigger. I stopped flying stunt and went back to small. I do a little of everything now. Most important, don't forget where it all started.
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Re: Joined a CL Club.
Ken Cook wrote:When one is introduced to 1/2A, it's usually due to cost, size of required flying area, and the ease of building. This however is generally short lived. Most don't fully understand the ins and outs of making the engine perform to it's full capability. In addition, some pilots don't understand a lean run as they have to engine screaming to the max. Stunt flyers aren't just elitists . There's lots and lots to learn from them. It takes a lot of discipline and concentration. In addition, it keeps you entirely in tune with your engines. You learn each engines tricks, you know when the engine is too rich, a bit lean, when it's going to start and when it's going to shut off. I dabble in everything and I don't stick to one side of the hobby. I like it all but I spent a considerable amount of time flying stunt. In one way it reminded me of motorcycling. You start out small on a 450, then you find yourself graduating to larger displacements and with each step comes more $$$$. The fun starts to fade away. Maintenance becomes more, fuel costs more, parts cost more. I then found myself saying, I like things the way they were before everything was bigger. I stopped flying stunt and went back to small. I do a little of everything now. Most important, don't forget where it all started.
Well said Ken. there is a LOT to be learnt from lots of people and all of the different disciplines. I am always happy to listen to any advice, ideas and views people have. Some people do things a bit differently and its good to understand why they do these things differently. One of the best things I have found going out to the club is the talking to people abouut ideas and how and why they do things. Just like I did when I was young, except now the people Im talking to really do know what they are talking about
I am very happy flying my Half A just for the sake of flying and I still learn heaps every time I fly, but even more so with others watching and offering ideas and ways to do things differently. But as you said "dont forget where it all started". I think that is the key to enjoying it. I promised myself after a period of racing bikes that was heavily sponsored that I would never do anything again if I didnt enjoy it. I threw in the heavy sponsorship, rode a pretty crappy and quite old jigger, no expectations to meet and ended up going faster with much better laptimes because I was having fun again. Best thing I have done for ages is being able to join the Aero Modellers club and go out and socialise, have a fly and talk with like minded people. thats what I did in my youth, except it wasnt a formal club but a rag tag group of friends who would meet up at an oval and fly on the weekends.
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