Cox Engines Forum
You are not logged in! Please login or register.

Logged in members see NO ADVERTISEMENTS!


Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Cox_ba12




Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Pixel

Log in

I forgot my password

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Draco Goes Flying, But Misses the Eclipse
by HalfaDave Yesterday at 9:59 pm

» A prototype Cox Reed-valve marine engine
by davidll1984 Yesterday at 9:15 pm

» music vids.. some of your favorites
by crankbndr Yesterday at 7:26 pm

» Enya .09 II Questions
by Surfer_kris Yesterday at 2:45 pm

» Wen Mac .049 - Conditioning.
by MauricioB Yesterday at 12:21 pm

» Happy 53rd birthday Mauricio!!!
by MauricioB Yesterday at 11:47 am

» Jim Walker Firebaby
by rdw777 Yesterday at 11:22 am

» Testers Sprite engine swap
by Greenman38633 Yesterday at 10:57 am

» UV Restore of Yellowed Decals
by Levent Suberk Yesterday at 8:59 am

» 22mm 2-blade nylon marine prop and solid-shaft drive
by roddie Yesterday at 6:46 am

» Post edit??
by roddie Yesterday at 5:33 am

» Original Super Power fuel formula?
by HalfaDave Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:28 pm

Cox Engine of The Month
April-2024
OVERLORD's

"Kress ducted fan with new Cox Conquest 15 RC"



PAST WINNERS
CEF Traveling Engine

Win This Engine!
Gallery


Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Empty
Live on Patrol


Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle

Go down

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Empty Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle

Post  KariFS Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:40 pm

I got a message from a fellow hobbyist that he had found a Cox car engine from a pile of his dad's old hobby stuff. Of course I was interested, as it was something new to me, I had never even seen one of those before except in pictures.

Finding info about these was also a bit difficult so I thought I'll share this experience. Special Thanks to Lieven "Overlord" for advice Smile

As usual, this one was also stuck with castor gunk, nothing moved. Here it is "as delivered":

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Image35

You can barely see that Babe Bee lurking underneath all that stuff Smile I couldn't find my non-metric Allen set so I had to wait until the next day so that I could stop by at the parts store to pick up another set. These new ones are "Made in USA", I try to buy quality stuff when I can. Besides, these are "gorilla proof" Eyebrows

So, after I got home I got the brass "bell" off first, revealing the centrifugal clutch:

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Image38

With some "gentle" persuasion, the trumpet-shaped flywheel-clutch combo came off. It is only held on by the taper on the crankshaft and its mating surface on the flywheel. There are two small discs that rest in the wedge-shaped recesses of the starter rotor, the purpose of this arrangement is to work as a one-direction clutch that engages the pull start system to the flywheel when the starter cable is pulled, and releases it when the engine starts. The little discs were sticky with castor residue, resulting in a stuck clutch:

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Image37

The next step is to remove a circlip, after which you can pull the starter rotor, and the cable return spring becomes visible. I suppose if it were any cleaner, it would have attacked me right after I pulled the rotor, but this one was sticky as syrup, just like everything else on this engine.

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Image39

I managed to pull the entire starter cable-spring assembly, and what remains looks more familiar, note the circlip groove on the neck:

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Image42

Here are the car engine crankshaft and a standard one side by side. The car engine one is a lot sturdier, probably because it will tolerate bigger loads but also it will allow a taper style attachment of the flywheel, probably to prevent cranks snapping under sudden load application. This one didn't turn smoothly, it had probably overheated at some point, which is not surprising as the engine is in a rather confined space in a vehicle and also the starter cable assy being plastic prevents cooling rather effectively. A light polish with some polishing paste took care of that.

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Image41

Then after a warm ethanol bath in the ultrasonic all the parts got my usual polishing treatment. Except the plastic parts of course. They went to a warm hand dish detergent bath. I used an old tootbrush to polish the heat sink, glowhead and backplate, as they have a lot of recesses. After the polish another ultrasonic bath to get rid of polish residues and then re-assembly. Before and during the assembly I applied light oil on all the parts.

I didn't get any pics of the re-assembly phases as my hands were oily. Getting that clean-as-a-whistle but slippery as... well a very slippery thing spring back in its place was a #%^+¥! but I finally did manage to get it there. The starter works as a charm now that both the cable and the spring are clean. Here is the finished product:

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Image40

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Image43

It's an interesting piece of engineering for sure but I think I still prefer aero engines Smile

Oh and I still am not sure what vehicle this is from. Roddie suggested Chopper earlier, this one looks a lot like it but the clutch is a little different. This one could of course be a mix of parts too. It has only one bypass port so it's no hot rod, I am still guessing it is from one of those "entry level" toys. The red part on the adjustment lever had a hole in it so it probably has been adapted for R/C use at some point.
KariFS
KariFS
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 2000
Join date : 2014-10-10
Age : 52

Back to top Go down

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Empty Re: Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle

Post  Oldenginerod Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:11 pm

It looks similar to the engines that were fitted to Jerobee cars, which used Cox engines.
Oldenginerod
Oldenginerod
Top Poster
Top Poster

Posts : 3968
Join date : 2012-06-15
Age : 61
Location : Drouin, Victoria

Back to top Go down

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Empty Re: Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle

Post  crankbndr Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:14 am

Nice job on the engine!! I've never seen that drive gear and flywheel before, wondering what model it was in.
crankbndr
crankbndr
Top Poster
Top Poster

Posts : 3062
Join date : 2011-12-10
Location : Homestead FL

Back to top Go down

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Empty Re: Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle

Post  pkrankow Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:29 am

My guess is it is from an RC car.

Phil
pkrankow
pkrankow
Top Poster
Top Poster

Posts : 3025
Join date : 2012-10-02
Location : Ohio

Back to top Go down

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Empty Re: Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle

Post  KariFS Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:14 pm

crankbndr wrote:Nice job on the engine!! I've never seen that drive gear and flywheel before, wondering what model it was in.

Thanks! I flipped through the Cox catalogs from '73 and '77, saw a couple of engines that looked a lot like this but the clutch and gear were different. I agree with Phil, most likely it is an RC car engine after all. I'm just wondering about the small tank, that would only give about 3 minutes of running time.

Oldenginerod suggested Jerobee car, I looked at some pics, that's probably the best guess so far although not a perfect match with the pics that I found. I think Lieven has a couple of Jerobees, so if you see this, could you shed some light on this?

It could also be a mix of parts, or maybe the brass part is home made.

Anyway, it doesn't make much difference. It is a cool piece of engineering and it would be nice to be able to label it correctly when I put it on display to my future museum of little engines Smile And of course it would also be nice to know if it is a sought-after rarity, but that is not very likely.
KariFS
KariFS
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Posts : 2000
Join date : 2014-10-10
Age : 52

Back to top Go down

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Empty Re: Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle

Post  getback Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:16 pm

Clapping Clapping Clapping Nice Cleaning there she looks Good !! Thinks for sharing !! Beer Cheers
getback
getback
Top Poster
Top Poster

2022 Supporter

2023 Supporter

Posts : 10095
Join date : 2013-01-18
Age : 66
Location : julian , NC

Back to top Go down

Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle Empty Re: Mystery motor from an unknown vehicle

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum