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Post  roddie Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:35 pm

Check this out.. What? We have X2 of these. Granted; we've had them for 10-12 years.. but I would never have expected to see a hinge-failure on a safe.

Honeywell branded.. This one hadn't been exposed to the elements or moisture.. yet its hinge-system appears to have oxidized.

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I think there's some type of enclosed spring-pin.. or "pop-in" (pressure-fit?) design used, because there are no exposed hinge-points. Whatever the case; It's not very safe..


First Alert has a similar looking product; if not the same exact design..

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Post  fredvon4 Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:05 pm

tens of millions of users, and engineers, have not concept of dissimilar metal corrosion.....especially in any moist, salty, wet, electric dc or ac energy flow.....the electricity flow need not be direct.... close proximity to electrical conduits emit enough electromagnetic field to affect any conductor near field.....it is a electron flow caused by induction....no direct contact needed

actually a pet peeve of mine...could go on for 40 pages of examples...

most boat builders get it, ALL certified aircraft designers get it...

but the asssssssss wipe who installed a steel metal roof with aluminum fasteners---  thousands of screws ---was a total idiot and his lifetime warranty was as worthless as his understanding of engineering or best practices for his craft.......grrrrrrr


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Post  GallopingGhostler Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:34 pm

Honeywell and First Alert may be stencil names for a manufacturer. For example, Craftsman air compressors were stencils made by Devilbliss. My AOL water heater was sold under the Whirlpool label. My Kenmore refrigerator was made by Whirlpool.

Regarding corrosion, sometimes the engineer had little to do with it. A marketing decision to save money and undercut competition was made higher up. After failure 10 years later, they made their money and have moved on to other things.
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Post  getback Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:42 am

That seems to bee the American way Here !! That Sucks about the safe , my son beat mine (lock) apart long time ago Sad
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Post  NEW222 Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:08 am

That's a bit shocking. I would have never thought a 'safe' would be built so poorly.
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Post  roddie Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:32 am

@NEW222 wrote:That's a bit shocking. I would have never thought a 'safe' would be built so poorly.

true that.. I've been wondering if I might be able to drill-out deeper; the hinge-points (2) in the lid, to accept steel pins; with one having a compression-spring behind it. This would allow for depressing that "one pin" to reinstall the lid.. and it would then lock permanently into place.

I detest discarding items that can be repaired.. as long as it's not a huge deal to accomplish.
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Post  fredvon4 Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:58 am

Roddie you go it right bro....fix that sucker better than it was....and looks like any right sized metal round stock will work...I would use brass very easy fix imo....but I would still be arsed up to have to do it....
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Post  roddie Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:07 pm

@fredvon4 wrote:Roddie you go it right bro....fix that sucker better than it was....and looks like any right sized metal round stock will work...I would use brass  very easy fix imo....but I would still be arsed up to have to do it....

Yo.. brother Phred! Thanks for the encouragement. The existing bores (.385") in the base and lid will accept a 3/8" dowel-pin. I can make a stubby pair of them easy enough.. and I have quite the assortment of springs.

Others may ask; why fix? Well.. otherwise my options would be to discard and replace w/new.. or use it "as broken" and hope that the lid doesn't open, should the safe become destabilized during a fire.
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Post  NEW222 Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:04 pm

Looking at it roddie, if it was sold like that and passed the tests, I would feel that any repair you do to fix it would make it stronger than the way it was originally built, so would not think it would ever open again unintentionally.
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Post  RknRusty Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:02 pm

I can imagine how disgusted I would be if that happened. On any equipment, but Especially a safe. I gotta believe it's not an engineering mistake. I'm not a mechanical engineer, and have no serious training in metallurgy, but even I knew the answer before I read Fred's accurate analysis. That is just freakin' unforgivable... It's a SAFE for Christ sake. A SAFE, Honeywell! I'd go post in any reviews I could find on that model.
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P.S. Could have been a bootleg safe. Sometimes it happens and even authorized distributors are duped. I had a set of  Kumho tires that my Goodyear dealer and I were pretty sure was a bootleg run... 3 years after the purchase. They were the worst sport tires I ever had on my Mazda P5. If I had been an Autocrosser, I would probably have figured it out right away. A lot of dealers got hit at the time when I bought them for about $600 bucks. And it was not only Kumoh brand, but Goodyear and others too.

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Post  GallopingGhostler Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:06 pm

Roddie, if your safe hinge failed like that, I wonder how well it would have stood up to an actual fire? Huh... Tired w/ Coffee Read Popcorn drunken
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Post  getback Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:34 am

Heck contact the manufacturer Pres. (person in charge) and ask if this is what i am to expect from ur product and anything else you can think of ..,, you never know and it don't cost nothing !! Shocked
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Post  dckrsn Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:52 pm

Roddie, you might steer whoever you speak to, to this thread.
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Post  roddie Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:32 pm

Geez... I have to thank all who have viewed this thread.. and especially those who have commented.

It's supposed to be a SAFE.
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