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Post  happydad on Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:12 pm

Does anyone know why there is a hole thru the Cox Tee Dee .020 Venturi nipple area and the right side of the crankcase? also the inside of the bottom of the shaft area is silver colored??

I was cleaning a new Tee Dee .020 tonight and noticed something different.

I am thinking this is a pressure feed from the muffler. Anyone?

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Post  Cribbs74 on Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:53 pm

It was drilled for crankcase pressure. It’s needs to be filled for it to run properly, unless you use it to pressurize a fuel tank.

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Post  happydad on Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:26 am

Cribbs74 wrote:It was drilled for crankcase pressure. It’s needs to be filled for it to run properly, unless you use it to pressurize a fuel tank.

   What can I use to fill the hole in the crankcase?
   The original owner says he remembers racing with a quickie 200 with a Cox .049, doesn’t remember racing with a TD ..020.
I was thinking of reselling it and offering an additional new Venturi.
   I replaced the Venturi, do you think it will run o.k. or will the pressure leak thru the hole and around the Venturi?

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Post  Daligh on Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:37 am

dad.

I have an idea that it is there to ensure that at the very high RPM of a Tee Dee the crankcase is at atmospheric pressure to enable better filling during induction.

By the time that the cut out in the crank starts to open that small hole the piston will be at BDC.
Now. The fuel air mixture is quite dense and getting it all to travel through the transfer ports will take a finite length of time and at very high revs there may not be enough time to transfer all of the fuel leaving some pressurised fuel under the piston.

That little hole will mean that the system is at atmospheric pressure ready for induction.

It's just a guess and I am probably wrong!?
Cribbs, who has a younger a thus wiser brain than I, is probably 100% correct!
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Post  Ken Cook on Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:54 am

The hole must be filled for it to run properly. Even with pressure, it becomes so problematic it's not worth using. It really requires the use of a one way valve like Fourmost used to produce. I've purchased 1/16" aluminum dowel rod and re drilled the hole. I use JB weld as adhesive. Drill the hole with a #53 bit for a interference fit and it need be you can file a slight taper on the dowel rod.
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Post  Levent Suberk on Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:48 am

happydad wrote:
I was thinking of reselling it and offering an additional new Venturi.
   I replaced the Venturi, do you think it will run o.k. or will the pressure leak thru the hole and around the Venturi?

Thanks for the hints.   Happydad RC Plane   United States  Old Bugger

Do you mean carburetor body?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cox-020-Tee-Dee-Airplane-Engine-Carburetor-Carb-Body-020-/282104214204?hash=item41aeb8b2bc

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Post  Levent Suberk on Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:09 am

I think that a little RTV silicone around the crankcase fills the hole, then a new carb body do the work.
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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:49 am

Here is a snapshot of the TD .010/.020 instruction sheet found in this forum. It explains what is going on with your engine. I have only filled a couple holes and I used JB weld and it has held for a long time.

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Post  happydad on Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:08 am

Cribbs74 wrote:Here is a snapshot of the TD .010/.020 instruction sheet found in this forum. It explains what is going on with your engine. I have only filled a couple holes and I used JB weld and it has held for a long time.

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It is so beautiful. The gold and silver, maybe nickel coating, that I hate to change anything. Thanks Ron.

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Post  happydad on Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:18 am

Levent Suberk wrote:
happydad wrote:
I was thinking of reselling it and offering an additional new Venturi.
   I replaced the Venturi, do you think it will run o.k. or will the pressure leak thru the hole and around the Venturi?

Thanks for the hints.   Happydad RC Plane   United States  Old Bugger

Do you mean carburetor body?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cox-020-Tee-Dee-Airplane-Engine-Carburetor-Carb-Body-020-/282104214204?hash=item41aeb8b2bc

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No the entire engine. I buy, refurbish, resell. I always completely disassemble the engine, clean with fuel and old tooth brush, replace old gaskets, tubing, Venturi with hole in nipple then run the engine.
I haven’t had a chance to run yet. Just got the engine yesterday.
   Also got 4 brand new in package .020 engine wrench’s late last night. Email said they were delivered, but I didn’t get them with the engine at 1:30 pM. So I went out late last night and there they were.

More later. Gotta go.  Happydad  RC Plane     United States   Old Bugger RC Plane
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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:41 pm

You may get lucky without filling the hole and hoping the carb body seals well enough. The hole being there changes the crankcase pressure and volume. I have seen first hand some engines with that hole not even start until it was filled back in and some run just fine with the hole open. Personally I would fill the hole. It only takes a tiny amount of JB to do it and is completely hidden once you put the carb body back on. Might as well mess with it once and be done with it. It will save you from having to pull it apart again if it doesn’t work.

BTW all the gold/silver you see is just dye and anodizing. The aluminum is just clean and bright before it was anodized.
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Post  happydad on Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:48 am

Cribbs74 wrote:You may get lucky without filling the hole and hoping the carb body seals well enough. The hole being there changes the crankcase pressure and volume. I have seen first hand some engines with that hole not even start until it was filled back in and some run just fine with the hole open. Personally I would fill the hole. It only takes a tiny amount of JB to do it and is completely hidden once you put the carb body back on. Might as well mess with it once and be done with it. It will save you from having to pull it apart again if it doesn’t work.

BTW all the gold/silver you see is just dye and anodizing. The aluminum is just clean and bright before it was anodized.

Cribbs74: you may not believe this, but another Tee Dee .020 with the tinned, anodized, whatever, silvered looking crankshaft area inside Tee Dee .020 crankcase AND the Venturi base, red thing, totally melted.

   Pictures tomorrow.

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Cox TD.020 #3
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Sold as Lightly used? Venturi broken burned.

Tee Dee #4
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Another broken Venturi.

Tee Dee #4
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What is the "Silver Lining" for?

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