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Post  Coxfledgling Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:13 am

Saw a thread about chap unscrewing 049 cylinder with the Cox spanner across the exhaust ports.

DONT, as ports damaged and "repair' needed.

Some cylinders have flats at the top which are ideal for this job needing the glow head to be removed first using the Cox spanner, or not.

To unscrew the cylinder I use some leather belt to protect and grip the cooling fins, and use some good pliers to clamp same.

Some heat will also help.

Hope this is helpful.
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Post  bsadonkill Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:36 am

I had the same ideal. Using some type of strap wrench for removing .020 Pee Wee cylinders. I did damage a cylinder by using the exhaust port wrench. They bur the cylinder very easily. The older cylinders do not have the flats made into the top for this purpose. Also does anyone know a good way of removing a bur from a cylinder. I tried using 600 grit sandpaper wrapped around a dowel rod. I ended up removing to much material. Could not get the engine to run after that. Crying or Very sad
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Post  sosam117 Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:57 am

Coxfledgling wrote:Saw a thread about chap unscrewing 049 cylinder with the Cox spanner across the exhaust ports.

DONT, as ports damaged and "repair' needed.

Some cylinders have flats at the top which are ideal for this job needing the glow head to be removed first using the Cox spanner, or not.

To unscrew the cylinder I use some leather belt to protect and grip the cooling fins, and use some good pliers to clamp same.

Some heat will also help.

Hope this is helpful.

Heat from a paint stripping heat gun or covering heat gun is my friend when taking things apart!
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Post  balogh Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:52 am

All my prior attempts to wind a leather band whatsoever around the cylinder and use pliers to remove it were missing the result, because the leather belt would slip on the fins no matter how I de-greased them, and because I simply do not have the guts to press pliers, even though with a leather belt between its beaks, on the COX cylinders!!!


So, about a year ago I decided to make my own flats onto the top fin of old-stock cylinders, and no matter how under-tooled I am, let alone my limited manual skills, I have managed to file the flats on many cylinders by today, so that I can remove the 049/050/051 cylinders with the stock wrench having the opening for the flats...not one cylinder I filed the flats on was messed up while filing, so far my hit rate is 100%


You may want to read the relevant thread here...skip all my trials until I arrived at the solution, where I shove  an exacto-blade between  the top and 2nd fin, so that my file will work on the top fin only, without hurting the 2nd fin:

https://www.coxengineforum.com/t15723-flats-on-top-cylinder-fin-for-cox-wrench-diy?highlight=flats

I repaired the filing marks on fins with gun-blue subsequently, so telling a cylinder with stock flats from a cylinder with flats I filed  on them on the kitchen table is not easy.

I noted that top fins with the flats made on them by COX are a tad thicker than the old stock fins without the flats, but even these thinner fins with flats I filed on them are strong enough to withstand the wrench torque without getting damaged.

Good luck..
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Post  Admin Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:30 am

I'm going through the trouble of removing a cylinder right now. Used the leather wrapped around the cylinder with pliers, tried a pair of wooden blocks in a vice, applied heat with a pencil torch... won't budge. Same issue with the cylinder slipping with leather or the wood blocks tightened just to the point where I can feel the cylinder being squeezed out of round while moving the piston up and down while tightening. Tried penetrating oil a few times, heat a few times, tried tightening and loosing a junk glow head on it several times to try to get some back and forth force on the case/cylinder threads.... nothing.


The cylinder is a close to mint condition, and is hoping to be used on an engine I'm attempting to restore. So, inserting anything into the exhaust ports or cutting flats is out of the question. I also want to limit how much it slips in the leather and wood to avoid the bluing from wearing off on the edges of the fins.

That bastard is tight!

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Post  Surfer_kris Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:40 am

Don't use any vice or pliers! Shocked

The idea is to make a leather strap that is self-clamping, much like the tools use for removing oil filters on cars. Some fine emery cloth towards the cylinder will also stop the leather from slipping.

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Post  HalfaDave Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:02 pm

Hi Admin,

Try this:
-wrap the cylinder/glowplug with a damp folded paper towel. ~1in dia. or so.
-heat the case, to 'scare' any castor goo.
-throw it in the freezer for whatever hours. The frozen wrapped paper towel will be your 'hand vice'.
- with gloves, they should just twist off.
-repeat as you learn, the heat cycle, is what breaks the joint.

I prefer the Surfer kris methods. Way easier in the long run.
I think Leroy Cox would like us to file flats on those cylinders...

With respect,
Dave

P.S. I just proof read this, and it would make no sense to non Cox people !

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:46 pm

Surfer_kris wrote:Don't use any vice or pliers! Shocked

The idea is to make a leather strap that is self-clamping, much like the tools use for removing oil filters on cars. Some fine emery cloth towards the cylinder will also stop the leather from slipping.

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I made one of those some years back. It'll remove your typical cylinder, but I couldn't get it to get off those impossibly tight ones without slipping. I may need to try some emery cloth and just touch up the bluing afterwards.

You also have to be careful not to distort the cylinder (particularly the thin metal between the exhaust ports) by twisting it too hard.

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Post  Surfer_kris Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:52 pm

Sounds like you just need more heat. Wink
The thermal expansion is higher for aluminium, so heat the crankcase rather than the cylinder.
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Post  Levent Suberk Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:56 pm

Admin wrote:
Surfer_kris wrote:Don't use any vice or pliers! Shocked

The idea is to make a leather strap that is self-clamping, much like the tools use for removing oil filters on cars. Some fine emery cloth towards the cylinder will also stop the leather from slipping.

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I made one of those some years back. It'll remove your typical cylinder, but I couldn't get it to get off those impossibly tight ones without slipping. I may need to try some emery cloth and just touch up the bluing afterwards.

You also have to be careful not to distort the cylinder (particularly the thin metal between the exhaust ports) by twisting it too hard.

Try to soak leather in water, fins bites leather more in this way. If don't work then try rubber strip instead of leather.
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Post  bsadonkill Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:15 am

A lot of advice and examples. I defiantly have to try the leather strap method with some heat. Thanks to all that replied:siterocks:
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Post  batjac Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:43 pm

Surfer_kris wrote:
The idea is to make a leather strap that is self-clamping, much like the tools use for removing oil filters on cars. Some fine emery cloth towards the cylinder will also stop the leather from slipping.

Kris, what dimensions are the strap? It looks like about 3/4" x 6" or so? I'll stop in at the local leather store when I'm over there. They should have some scraps that I can buy.

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Post  Surfer_kris Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:12 pm

The dimensions are not critical, but the one in the pictures is about 10mm (0.4") wide and about 4" long. I have made a few holes in the strap and can adjust the length depending on the cylinder diameter (mostly Webra, Paw and different Cox engine sizes).

It was a 5 minute job from scrap pieces (wood and leather I had lying around), but it has served me very well. Smile
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Post  sosam117 Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:43 pm

Surfer_kris wrote:The dimensions are not critical, but the one in the pictures is about 10mm (0.4") wide and about 4" long. I have made a few holes in the strap and can adjust the length depending on the cylinder diameter (mostly Webra, Paw and different Cox engine sizes).

It was a 5 minute job from scrap pieces (wood and leather I had lying around), but it has served me very well. Smile

The other material you could try is an old belt from a vacuum cleaner or anything similar that is 10mm wide and 2mm thick.
I purchased this tool in the photo from a small pluming shop that sold three of them as a set.

The small on in the photo, then a larger one and then even a larger one.
The strap is the look and feel like an automotive type of belt and it grips the cylinder very well because it has a weave in the strap.

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I used the small strap to loosen up the aerators on the faucets around the house to clean/change the screens.
Also, good to loosen up lids off of jars. These old hands just don't have the strength they use to have.
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