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bee overflow question
just got another one back to life
but in the video, you will see it runs okay, but is pushing fuel out the overflow
What am I missing? what would cause the tank to do this?
(it is running on fuel from the red tank, the clear fuel container behind it is not attached)
thank you
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7tOEBh8nJGc
but in the video, you will see it runs okay, but is pushing fuel out the overflow
What am I missing? what would cause the tank to do this?
(it is running on fuel from the red tank, the clear fuel container behind it is not attached)
thank you
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7tOEBh8nJGc
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Re: bee overflow question
I'd run a fine wire through the tank overflow tube, just to be sure there isn't anything obstructing it like a bit of aluminum chafe or possibly a burr partially blocking an end, or even dirt or grease or sealant. This may be causing the tank to overfill above the top of of the vent tube.cstatman wrote:just got another one back to life but in the video, you will see it runs okay, but is pushing fuel out the overflow. What am I missing? what would cause the tank to do this? (it is running on fuel from the red tank, the clear fuel container behind it is not attached) thank you
Reason why I say this is because once it bleeds off after the first 5 or seconds of running, then it stops and the engine seems to run normal as expected.
It is just a conjecture.
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Re: bee overflow question
Of a stunt tank is combined with a backplate that also has filler nipples, the fuel will be easier sucked out by the depression in propeller air flying over the nipple. Just my guess, I am not sure what backplate you are using.
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Re: bee overflow question
Seems also to disappear once the Bee's RPM is up. I wonder if at lower RPM's, if the venturi gasket is missing or compromised where it isn't fully seating, there may be a touch of pulsating from the reed assembly causing bubbling at the tank back, slighly pressurizing the tank, pushing fuel out the overflow.
Again, just a guess, but I think if you carefully disassemble the engine and re-examine everything, then will find the culprit.
Again, just a guess, but I think if you carefully disassemble the engine and re-examine everything, then will find the culprit.
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Re: bee overflow question
I would go with checking the gasket and venture O-ring , just replace and try that .. Although they do ten to leak with air burst but usually not that bad .
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Re: bee overflow question
Just guessing, but it could be that there is a resonance causing the fuel to be agitated in the tank. A test would be to try another propeller and/or a different test stand. Or clamp a weight to the test stand or its mount.
The backplate doesn't have its own vents, does it?
The backplate doesn't have its own vents, does it?
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Re: bee overflow question
thanks everyone for great ideas and pointers
the backplate has no filler holes, so that isnt it, but I am liking the idea of checking the venturi gasket! and will do so tonight
thanks
one more cox back to life!
the backplate has no filler holes, so that isnt it, but I am liking the idea of checking the venturi gasket! and will do so tonight
thanks
one more cox back to life!
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Re: bee overflow question
The only way positive pressure would reach the tank would be through case pressure. In order for that to happen, the reed isn't effectively sealing on the piston downstroke. In turn, it's now pressurizing the venturi which in turn would bleed out through the venturi screen but I can see it also passing through o-ring and into the tank. This could also happen if a crack formed on the tank. Closing the needle down and pressurizing the tank with a syringe will tell you immediately if the o-ring is sealing. It will also reveal other leaks such as tank to tank back, needle valve threads, and the 4 screws. Doing a suck blow test on the tank will tell you if the reed is properly seating. Attaching a syringe to the back of the tank with a piece of tubing, YOU SHOULD NOT be able to pull the syringe plunger back at all.
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Re: bee overflow question
thank you Ken, I will be swapping the o-ring and trying the syringe method in a few minutes. thank you for good advice
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Re: bee overflow question
I'm not certain as to your reed style, clip vs cap. Make certain the clip is installed correctly with it's 90 deg return leg facing away from the reed and not squashing it. The reed needs to fully rotate under the clip. Even a new reed might not successfully seal, you might need to turn it over and try again.
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