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Post  WingingIt74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:27 am

What's a good first CL to fly? The only CL I have done is whip-CL back in the 80s, as the Small Cox Logo F-15 didn't fly well, so I modified it. I'm also looking for something that will work well, not only to teach myself, but to teach my sons as well. Something that can take a beating.

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Post  WingingIt74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:41 am

I would also like to mention, I'm not much of a builder.... I prefer ARFs or I guess for CL, ARCs.
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Post  WingingIt74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:54 am

Has anyone made a CL plane from coraplast?
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Post  SuperDave Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:01 pm

WingingIt74 wrote:I would also like to mention, I'm not much of a builder.... I prefer ARFs or I guess for CL, ARCs.

Too bad hat you don't care to build because, IMO, it's an important part of the modeling experience. To each his own

My thread on the "Baby Ringmaster" in Models and Modeling describes the plane I'm about to build. ARF and ARC's leave be cold but that's just me. Smile

BTW, I build my own fly fishing rods and tie my own trout flies too.
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Post  WingingIt74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:01 pm

Now I got myself thinking of a coraplast PT-19 trainer.... based on a BlackHawk PT-19. Maybe a tribute to the White/Red PT-19 I never got to fly...

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Post  WingingIt74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:04 pm

SuperDave wrote:Too bad hat you don't care to build because, IMO, it's an important part of the modeling experience. To each his own.

I've never really tried, but I even drag my feet when it comes to building an ARF... I have a E-flite Bonanza ARF that is half built. I stopped because I want it to be perfect and there is a flaw with the retracts that I haven't solved yet.

I have a E-Flite 20-300 that I crashed and I haven't fixed yet, not to mention the E-Flite Gee Bee that all I have to do is install the new RX that Horizon Hobby sent me.

Too many projects I guess.... Other projects include, fixing my Jeep, fixing the (2) mini bikes I have for my boys... who knows what else.

I was working on the Jeep the other night and my wife asked me to fix the stove.... apparently the oven door handle fell off again, this time the screws stripped, so I bolted the sucker lol! Then I went back to working on the Jeep Smile


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Post  SuperDave Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:23 pm

Wing:

The fixation with perfection can ruin most any hobby especially when you are learning. It just doen't happen without practice and lots of it over years of experience.

Crashes are inevitable and I don't know anyone who has learned to fully successfully models without crashing. Even the experienced model pilot crashes for one reason or another pilot error being the most common.

So admit that you have a lot to learn and enjoy the learning process that many of us here have experienced. You may be a forum moderator but that says nothing about your ability to fly. Wink
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Post  PV Pilot Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:28 pm

WingingIt74 wrote: Maybe a tribute to the White/Red PT-19 I never got to fly...


Never say never,,life is young yet. It's out there waiting for you Travis.

It took me a long time to find my Ranger 42,,and yes,,you have plenty of time.
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Post  WingingIt74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:48 pm

SuperDave wrote:You may be a forum moderator but that says nothing about your ability to fly. Wink

Here ya go lol!
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Post  SuperDave Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:58 pm

Travis:

Oh sure, take the observation as an insult. If you can fly RC surely you can fly CL.
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Post  WingingIt74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:01 pm

There is some full size in there too. Smile haha no insult taken lol!
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Post  SuperDave Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:44 pm

Wing:

The Black Hawk PT-19 shown has slab wing so all it would do is fly roundy round without much distinction. Even looping successfully would a challenge. It would get pretty dull pretty fast IMO (of course).

Built-up wings require more work to construct but they are far more versitle in the air.
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Post  WingingIt74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:01 pm

That doesn't sound like a bad first CL though.... especially for my son to master. Could even do a KF4m airfoil on it real easy. I just don't know what I would need to complete such a plane. I've only flown electric ARFs and RTFs.
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Post  nitroairplane Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:06 pm

WingingIt74 wrote:Has anyone made a CL plane from coraplast?
Look for the "man win trainer"
http://www.balsabeavers.ca/begginers_page.htm
http://www.balsabeavers.ca/Manwin%20Vectorized%20plans.pdf
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Post  Godsey3.0 Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:24 pm

We were going to build a Coro Combat CL plane. I learned to fly on a Lil Wizard. I never crashed it. I had rough landings brought on buy a bad loop. Never scuffed the paint though. My Wizard was not built correctly. I bought it at a swap meet. I now know that mine in particular cannot loop. The only plane I have crashed as of now was a Lil Jumpin Bean that went vertical tail down when balanced.
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Post  SuperDave Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:11 pm

Godsey3.0 wrote:The only plane I have crashed as of now was a Lil Jumpin Bean that went vertical tail down when balanced.

Jacob:

In that case it wasn't balanced but extremely tail-heavy. No Smile
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Post  RknRusty Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:50 pm

Godsey3.0 wrote:...The only plane I have crashed as of now was a Lil Jumpin Bean that went vertical tail down when balanced.
Dang, dude! I've crashed every plane I have ever owned. My Bean looks like it has zebra stripes from all the places I've glued it back together. I don't usually put in a day of flying without smacking the ground at least once. Perhaps my piloting skills are sub par. Maybe I should change my nickname to Crash.

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Post  Ivanhoe Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:58 pm

SuperDave wrote:Travis:

Oh sure, take the observation as an insult. If you can fly RC surely you can fly CL.

In the words of the song, "It aint necessarily so", two totally different skills, control line is purely physical, and two dimensional, I have known superb R/C pilots who could never, ever, learn to fly C/L, and equally being able to fly C/L certainly doesn't mean you can fly R/C, as I know only too well from my own experience!
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Post  Ivanhoe Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:04 pm

RknRusty wrote:
Godsey3.0 wrote:...The only plane I have crashed as of now was a Lil Jumpin Bean that went vertical tail down when balanced.
Dang, dude! I've crashed every plane I have ever owned. My Bean looks like it has zebra stripes from all the places I've glued it back together. I don't usually put in a day of flying without smacking the ground at least once. Perhaps my piloting skills are sub par. Maybe I should change my nickname to Crash.

No, it's not your piloting skills, it's just that the ground is too high, well known phenomena, common all over the world! lol!
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Post  nitroairplane Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:04 pm

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Godsey3.0 wrote:...The only plane I have crashed as of now was a Lil Jumpin Bean that went vertical tail down when balanced.
Dang, dude! I've crashed every plane I have ever owned. My Bean looks like it has zebra stripes from all the places I've glued it back together. I don't usually put in a day of flying without smacking the ground at least once. Perhaps my piloting skills are sub par. Maybe I should change my nickname to Crash.

No, it's not your piloting skills, it's just that the ground is too high, well known phenomena, common all over the world! lol!
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Post  RknRusty Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:13 pm

SuperDave wrote:Wing:

The Black Hawk PT-19 shown has slab wing so all it would do is fly roundy round without much distinction. Even looping successfully would a challenge. It would get pretty dull pretty fast IMO (of course).

Built-up wings require more work to construct but they are far more versitle in the air.
Dave, if you don't think a slat-winged plane will do aerobatics, take a look at my Stuntman23:

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Post  Cribbs74 Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:40 pm

RknRusty wrote:
Godsey3.0 wrote:...The only plane I have crashed as of now was a Lil Jumpin Bean that went vertical tail down when balanced.
Dang, dude! I've crashed every plane I have ever owned. My Bean looks like it has zebra stripes from all the places I've glued it back together. I don't usually put in a day of flying without smacking the ground at least once. Perhaps my piloting skills are sub par. Maybe I should change my nickname to Crash.

You said you are pushing yourself to get better. I think your crashing cause your learning. I bet if you went back to circles then you would be crash free. I happen to think you fly quite well.

Push the envelope and your bound to bite it once and a while.
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Post  RknRusty Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:54 pm

cribbs74 wrote:You said you are pushing yourself to get better. I think your crashing cause your learning. I bet if you went back to circles then you would be crash free. I happen to think you fly quite well.

Push the envelope and your bound to bite it once and a while.
Oh yeah, I know it. Many times it's because I rush to either get a plane ready or beat the sunset, etc., in other words, my own impatience is my worst enemy. I can fly circles ad-nauseum upside down or right side up without cracking up. I was more being funny than fishing for reassurance, but I'll gladly accept the vote of confidence, thanks Cribbs. Smile

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