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Post  JPvelo Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:49 pm

Not planning on a full build thread but this thing is looking cool and I wanted to share:
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Solid balsa wing with spruce/hardwood laminate all around:
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Post  Cribbs74 Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:13 pm

Nice Jim!

Two Questions....

What are you planning on doing about the gas tank dilemma? And what size spinner did you use?
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Post  Ken Cook Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:26 pm

I would put a bladder in there. I'm pretty sure you could sneak rocket tube or a fluorescent light guard tube in there under the wing. It looks pretty cool. Ken
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Post  JPvelo Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:46 pm

Ron,

Spinner is 1 3/4". As Ken suggested I'm using rocket tube and a Sullivan 1oz tank (perky rules prohibit pressure systems).
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Bellcrank is on the bottom if the crutch to make room, the wing will be partially relieved as well.
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The two smaller holes in the mount close to the tank are for 2-56 cowl retaining screws.

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Post  Cribbs74 Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:55 pm

Good idea,

I was thinking you would go pressure like Ken mentioned. Do you know how long that NV runs on 1oz?
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Post  RknRusty Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:07 pm

Yikes, that's a bad looking little plane, I love it. Like a winged torpedo. That Norvel .10(I got that right didn't I) is a cool looking engine too. I can't wait to see it after it emerges from "JP's Paint, Trim and Style Shop."
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Post  JPvelo Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:00 pm

Ron,
Perky speed is only 16 laps (1 mile) from a standing start. Hopefully I'll get between 1 1/2 - 2 minutes out of it. If you want to compete in perky events you can't have a pressurized fuel system so bladders are out.

Rusty,
That's a AME .15, on an 18" span. Should be fun Devil 
I think it's going to be mostly clear dope over wood with minimal trim. I don't want to hide the two tone leading edge.

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Post  batjac Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:55 am

Drat! When you said "Perky", I thought .....

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Post  OVERLORD Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:33 am

Over here, someone made a Perky last year:

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http://www.retroplane.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3561&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=255

Good luck with the build Jim.
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Post  Cribbs74 Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:43 am

Hmm,

Totally different wing on that one.
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Post  roddie Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:26 am

Hey Jim.. got the "need for speed"??  Affraid or WOW!  I'm curious if you're planning on making a take-off dolly.. like the one in this photo that you posted a few weeks ago?

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Post  duke.johnson Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:03 am

Here's the Phantom MK XV kit my kids bought me for Christmas, I still need to build this one, it looks a lot like the Perky.

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I have another called a Smokey Joe or Magic Miler that I need to build for a contest this year. I can't edit the size of the file to post from here though.
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Post  Cribbs74 Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:45 am

Roddie,

The Perky has landing gear supplied in the Blackhawk kit. It looks pretty cool too. Not sure if Jim is going to use it though.

Duke,

That little plane has a Ringmaster stab/elevator!

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Post  duke.johnson Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:08 pm

Yeah, Baby!
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Post  batjac Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:18 pm

duke.johnson wrote:Here's the Phantom MK XV kit my kids bought me for Christmas, I still need to build this one, it looks a lot like the Perky.

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I have another called a Smokey Joe or Magic Miler that I need to build for a contest this year.  I can't edit the size of the file to post from here though.

Duke, Are you gonna put a Gilbert on it?

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Post  JPvelo Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:31 pm

Cribbs74 wrote:Hmm,

Totally different wing on that one.

A perky only has to match the outline if the original, you can use whatever construction method you like. I've seen a lot of liberty on where the wing sits height wise though.
The wheels that come with the kit are awesome, I will definitely be using them.

Here's a whole page if Perkys:
http://clamf.aerosports.net.au/categories/speed/Perky/Perky.htm

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Post  JPvelo Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:00 pm

Turtle deck done:
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This makes me want to take on a full fuselage stunter.
I'm home sick with a cold my girlfriend brought me from Iowa last week. Expect mucho building progress.

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Post  Oldenginerod Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:41 am

batjac wrote:
duke.johnson wrote:Here's the Phantom MK XV kit my kids bought me for Christmas, I still need to build this one, it looks a lot like the Perky.

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I have another called a Smokey Joe or Magic Miler that I need to build for a contest this year.  I can't edit the size of the file to post from here though.

Duke, Are you gonna put a Gilbert on it?

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Yeah.   Thumbs Up  Someone put a Gilbert on one of these, please. How cool does that look.  Once I saw the Blackhawk picture of the Phantom with the Gilbert I just wanted one.  I have a Gilbert 7 ready to launch.  (The Phantom would need an 11 me thinks).  Bolted it to an old stick fuse & 18" slab wing plane my late brother built 40 years ago which I ran with a very tired OS Pet II.  I'm surprised how well the old Gilbert pulls.  She really wants to launch.  The plane ain't pretty, but I reckon the Gilbert will haul it around the circle just fine.  Flying 

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Post  JPvelo Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:42 am

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Post  roddie Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:38 pm

JPvelo wrote:Turtle deck done:
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This makes me want to take on a full fuselage stunter.
I'm home sick with a cold my girlfriend brought me from Iowa last week. Expect mucho building progress.

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Looking GREAT Jim! Sorry you're sick... but it's good that you have a distraction.

Speaking of your wanting to take on a full-fuse stunter.. and not meaning to hijack your thread.. The TopFlite "Nobler" comes to mind. It's a great choice for .35-.40 size engines.. and has a flapped wing.

There are several versions/sizes of this model that have been built. Ian has an older Nobler kit that he posted a photo of, a few weeks ago.

plans 54" (1952) and later 50"
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=377
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=525

Here's a photo that shows some framework of a full-size Nobler with a Fox .35

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and here's a plan for a Junior Nobler (40" span .15-.25 engine) http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=526

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Post  Ken Cook Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:59 am

Roddie, do you know where the full size Nobler is from? It appears to be a Doug Moon ARF. These were available for $200 a few years ago. Many improvements over the Top Flite ARF Nobler. The clear covering which is a Phil Cartier product (SLC) gives it away. I'm just curious if they listed a builder. Ken
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Post  roddie Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:40 am

Ken Cook wrote:           Roddie, do you know where the full size Nobler is from? It appears to be a Doug Moon ARF. These were available for $200 a few years ago. Many improvements over the Top Flite ARF Nobler. The clear covering which is a Phil Cartier product (SLC) gives it away. I'm just curious if they listed a builder. Ken

Ken, I found that photo while searching google images. I'll see if I can find it again. I posted that pic for Jim, because of some visible framework. When you say "full size".. do you mean it's a repro of the original 54" early 1950's version?

Edit: ok.. the info for that image states; "Classic Top Flite NOBLER in nude-look finish to obtain a total weight of 980gr. in flight order. Scratchbuilt by Gabriele Macri and powered by Fox .35"

There is no info. on what plan the model was built from.
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Post  Cribbs74 Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:39 pm

That looks to me like a Green Box Nobler. I will defer to Ken as he has been around the scene longer.

I didn't think the ARF had a built up tail section. Maybe it does?
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Post  jhaye Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:04 pm

Ron,

the Phantom is a Matt Kania design the guy that designed the Ringmaster.


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Post  JPvelo Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:05 pm

jhaye wrote:Ron,

the Phantom is a Matt Kania design the guy that designed the Ringmaster.


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Yep, the Perky and the phantom are both from Kania.

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