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Competitors in other countries ?

Post  xtal_01 on Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:15 pm

Did Cox have any real competition in the market?

Was this hobby just as popular in other parts of the world?

I know there was Testors ... but I only remember them for building complete planes and cars ... I don't remember ever seeing a bare engine from them.

OK, I just right this and see someone has one for sale on ebay ... bare testors with attached plastic tank.

I just took a quick look on ebay ... fox (1964), Wen Mac, Atwood / Wasp, Ohlsson & Rice (1955). OK Cub, McCoy, ..... WOW ...

Were all of these available at the same time? Was there really that big of a market? Is Cox (no matter who owns it now) the "last survivor" or is there still others who produce an 049?

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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Mark Boesen on Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:31 pm

With the invention of the glowplug in the late 40's (eliminating the extra weight of batteries, coil, points, wire, switches, etc.) small bore engines really took off (pun intended) by early 50's there were several manufacturers churning out .045-.049 engines.



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Thanks Mark ...

Post  xtal_01 on Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:46 pm

I didn't even know there was 049 collectors !!!!!!!!

I just followed the links at the bottom of your post ... WOW !!!!!!!!!!

I kept telling my wife I can't be the only one who gets a kick out of these toys!

Now I have proof!

Mike
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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Oldenginerod on Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:56 am

xtal_01 wrote:Is there really that big of a following?  

I made the assumption that Cox would have been a US "thing".

I figured other countries would have made equivalent products.

Were these engines popular all over the world or ????

Mike

Yes Mike, the Cox is pretty universal. Here in Aus. we had one main manufacturer of engines which were mainly diesels (Taipan) and I don't think they made anything smaller than a 1cc. Rather expensive by comparison. Control line flying using diesels was very popular.

English engines were pretty popular. In fact, the first engine I ever operated as a 12 year old was a Mills .75cc diesel. All I ever wanted was a Cox PT-19 as I'd seen the ads on TV. But, being poor humble farmers my parents had little money to spare, so I ended up with a Testors P-40. My first Cox engine came in a box of stuff I got from an old school teacher who flew. Because I was already into .09/.15 size planes I never put the Cox to use. Around this time I discovered Enyas which were readily available and affordable.

Fast forward nearly 40 years after a long break and for the sake of my kids I dragged some of the old stuff out and at the same time discovered Cox International in Canada. Rebuilt my original Cox engine and got a couple of new ones for my boys. From there I discovered 049 Collectors followed by this group here. I love all size engines but the smaller ones are fascinating. I have a heap of American engines, a few English, a couple of Russians, a few Japanese, Indian, Taiwanese and Chinese. .020 up to .60

It would probably be a lot different today if not for the internet. In fact, the hobby in more remote regions like ours would probably be long gone. Because of the availability of Cox engines and parts, that's the brand that has helped to keep the memories alive for lots of retreads like me.

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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  getback on Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:53 am

WOW you guys are having some fun over here , thought i would drop in and see what was up . Mike i was overwhelmed when i got here too that there was so much WHO-PLAW going on when i first got here , over the past few years i have accumulated a few different Cox Engines some not ran yet !! Not been that long i flew my first TD .049 engine on a P51 B home built for the Speed contest and i have to say it is a Whole different ball game when you strap one these babies on running top rpms!! Very Happy My first time up with this plane too ..  lol! lol! Small Cox Logo
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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Mark Boesen on Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:43 am

xtal_01 wrote:I didn't even know there was 049 collectors !!!!!!!!

I just followed the links at the bottom of your post ... WOW !!!!!!!!!!

I kept telling my wife I can't be the only one who gets a kick out of these toys!

Now I have proof!

Mike

As a kid in the 60's-early 70's, i only knew Cox and Testors, it wasn't until my third go around with stunt in the late 90's that i bought a small engine i'd never seen (O.K. Cub) at a contest....and the flood gates opened!
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Post  Kim on Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:12 am

Mark Boesen wrote:
xtal_01 wrote:I didn't even know there was 049 collectors !!!!!!!!

I just followed the links at the bottom of your post ... WOW !!!!!!!!!!

I kept telling my wife I can't be the only one who gets a kick out of these toys!

Now I have proof!

Mike

As a kid in the 60's-early 70's, i only knew Cox and Testors, it wasn't until my third go around with stunt in the late 90's that i bought a small engine i'd never seen (O.K. Cub) at a contest....and the flood gates opened!

Yep, and I was downstream from those floodgates after joining your group !!   Never HEARD of such stuff...and of course...had to have as many as many as I could get !!!

My Paypal account had smoke coming from it!  Can't even figure how much money you cost me !!! Very Happy
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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  balogh on Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:47 am

xtal_01 wrote:Did Cox have any real competition in the market?

Was this hobby just as popular in other parts of the world?

I know there was Testors ... but I only remember them for building complete planes and cars ... I don't remember ever seeing a bare engine from them.

OK, I just right this and see someone has one for sale on ebay ... bare testors with attached plastic tank.

I just took a quick look on ebay ... fox (1964), Wen Mac, Atwood / Wasp, Ohlsson & Rice (1955). OK Cub, McCoy,   ..... WOW ...

Were all of these available at the same time?  Was there really that big of a market?  Is Cox (no matter who owns it now) the "last survivor" or is there still others who produce an 049?

Mike




In its heyday COX was said to turn out a million or so engines a year, and I do not think any, that is any of its competitors was able to produce such as volume, and more importantly, such a high quality  of model engines - with very appealing look -as COX did. This is why COX engines are still abundant on ebay and hopefully will remain so for long.
Longevity of these engines equally amazes me...some of my 051 TD-s have 300 hours on them with still good compression...my 010-s are equally indestructable ... so even if you buy a used COX engine, chances are it is still in a very good if not perfect condition, unless it was systematically abused. Despite the logic that you would expect should have driven the manufacturer to produce something cheap for only a short life expectancy so as to push customers for buying a replacement...
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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Kim on Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:27 am

War Dog agrees !!!!!!!!

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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  fredvon4 on Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:43 pm

Xtal

I am 63ish

50~70 played with dad and brothers all thinks...rockets, airplanes, boats...you name it... life and wife and kids and job..

2012 I re-threaded... had some old things from the 60~70s... pulled out..found internet forums...got parts, got clean got-running

Promptly spent a LOT of gold for the grins, giggles, smells and ear splitting noises...

Today 77 engines in inventory

12 flying planes

Of the 77 engines 27 are Cox .049/.051s...

no less than 4 gallons of fuel on hand at any time

Electrickey is tempting...but I do love the sound and smell of ANY glow engine
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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Oldenginerod on Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:19 pm

fredvon4 wrote:
Today 77 engines in inventory

12 flying planes

Of the 77 engines 27 are Cox .049/.051s...

Well, latest count is 176 engines, 49 of which are Cox.
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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Jason_WI on Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:57 pm

I've lost count of all the engines I have. I have a tracking spreadsheet but I haven't updated it in 2 years. Most are Cox engines. Next is OS engines followed by S.T., Enya, K&B, Fox, Laser, Norvel, VA, O.K., Andserson, McCoy, Testors, and a couple of odd ball clones.
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77 .... 176 ... lost count!

Post  xtal_01 on Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:55 pm

How do you acquire sooooooo many engines!

I haven't even heard of most of these names! Did every manufacturer at one time or another think they could make money selling model engines?

I saw a .11 Guilbert (again have never really seen one) go for $12 on ebay last night. I had to tell myself to save my money and buy what I need for the Tee Dee Kim is giving me (tank, fuel, ... eventually a plane).

I just can't imagine that many engines ... it would be awesome!

Do you guys have everything displayed ... kind of like your own museum?

My wife thinks I am going to start one. I think I mentioned my mother saved everything of mine. She is aging and the "writing is on the wall". She asked me to start cleaning out her place (my bother says when she goes he is getting a dumpster and everything goes .... I live 8 hours away so not much to say about it). Over Christmas, I brought home as much as I could fit into the RV and van. I got my "girder and panel" set, Sta-lox, tinker toys, super city, erector, meccano, some HO trains and strombecker 1/32 slot car set ... also my metal pedal fire engine and tricycle with "Vrroom" motor. She asked what I am going to do with all this "junk". I said it will decorate my "man cave" when we move upstairs.

I could see having a "wall of engines" !!!!!

Really, I can't wait to hear the distinct sound of a glow engine ... the smell ....

I've got to start thinking about a plane ... and an air boat ... and a hover craft ... and ... and ... and .... brain is on overload!

Just as my wife tells everyone ... I am just a kid that forgot to grow up!

You guys have opened my eyes up to how big this hobby really is!

Mike

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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Oldenginerod on Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:12 am

xtal_01 wrote:
You guys have opened my eyes up to how big this hobby really is!

Mike


Hey, don't blame us lol!
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Practicing politicts ....

Post  xtal_01 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:47 am

Hey I am just being like all the politicians ( not party affiliated .... I think they are all crooked ) ... got to pass the blame onto someone else!

Or maybe it is like when I was a kid and did something wrong. My dad would ask .... if Johnny jumped off a bridge, would you follow?

Or is it more like keeping up with the Jones .... or maybe is it he with the most toys when he dies wins ..... or ...

WOW ... think of all the excuses I can use with my wife!

Mike


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Post  balogh on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:07 am

Mike,

you may want to use my statement at the bottom of my posts, in order to justify to your wife your return to COX engines: (see below)
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I like it!

Post  xtal_01 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:57 pm

I hadn't read it before ... I like it!

Actually the wife puts up with a lot. Who else would live in an RV in -30 temps for three winters while I built our house.

Even on our little trips to see my family or when we were going back and forth from VT to SC while trying to sell my house, she would do some research and try finding places for us to visit.

She found one museum called the "American Precision Museum" .... the history of machine tool. They even have Bridgeport mill #1 there ... I even have the tee shirt to prove I visited! OK .... so I am a nerd!

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Post  Kim on Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:01 pm

Sounds normal to me...
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Fuel tank question ...

Post  xtal_01 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:12 pm

Just want to keep learning ....

Kim explained why I want to use a wedge tank for U-control flight ... makes sense.

So why do I see some people using a balloon tanks?

And why / when do you the pressure port on the tee dee?

And why do some people drill / tap a pressure port in the back of the engine? Do you then need a check valve?

Just all kinds of questions.

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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  dckrsn on Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:29 pm

Kim wrote:Sounds normal to me...
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And one more question ... piston reset tool??????

Post  xtal_01 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:32 pm

Sorry .... guess I should just write down all my questions ...

Didn't even have time to get an answer on the fuel tank and another question ....

I was looking at the Coxengine.ca page. I see a piston reset tool.

I checked the baby bee's I have. On a couple, the piston does seem to have some play.

How much should it have?

Is it hard to use the reset tool?

Can I kill a piston / rod with this tool?

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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Jason_WI on Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:15 pm

The reset tool is needed to keep the performance of these gems intact.

The instructions for the reset tool state to reset the piston to ball socket fit from .001” to .003”

Yes you can ruin a piston if you use too much force. Especially on the .010/.020 pistons.
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Just hit it?

Post  xtal_01 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:26 pm

Without going into details ... do you just hit it and crimp the piston around the rod?

Do you just keep trying till you get it tight? What if you get too tight?

My old engines are tight and not gummy but the engines I got cheap where frozen with "gunk". I didn't know about the anti-freeze cleaning so I used choke cleaner .... still took a lot of force after letting them soak ... but all 6 are free. I did notice that it seems like the piston to rod connections are a bit loose. Maybe the guy before me used ?????? for fuel (I only used cox back then ... well I think maybe drake once).

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Re: Is it worth buying the parts for a 049 tee dee rather than try finding one?

Post  Jason_WI on Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:59 pm

Well don’t use a 24oz framing hammer and you should be alright.

It takes 40 or more light taps while rotating the tool in the piston after each tap. Check after a few taps. If it doesn’t seem to change then increase the striking force slightly. Remember to rotate the tool after each hit. You dont want to cause a tight spot. Not sure what you could do if it’s reset too tight.

Keep the tool perpendicular to the piston. Striking at an angle may result in undesirable results.

Practice on a piston that isn’t needed.
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Got it!

Post  xtal_01 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:07 pm

Thanks .... I will add this tool to my next order.

Thanks .... Mike
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