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Post  crankbndr on Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:14 pm

I have been looking for this Bee for many years. It has the first backplate screws before Cox went to filister heads. It looks like a "lump" lol!
A little cleaning and shining it will look like new!! It was BIN 10$, seller didn't even know it was a Cox, but had a good photos of the backplate.





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Post  Oldenginerod on Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:03 pm

Just need to find a large head needle to suit by the looks of it.
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Post  NEW222 on Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:40 pm

Nice find. Will look good cleaned up.
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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:33 pm

Cool! It will clean up well. Got the right head too.
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Post  Admin on Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:26 pm

Really cool! Thumbs Up I've been after one of those for a long time!

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Post  Oldenginerod on Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:34 am

I got one the same a few years back in a "bunch-o-engines".  I knew it was early but didn't really know it was anything special.

Dang, I still can't post pictures DAMMIT!  Anyone know what I can do to fix that?  Must be a browser thing, although it stopped working on both Safari and Firefox at the same time.  I know how I'm supposed to do it.  Just can't select pirtures or drag & drop them.

Anyway, I was going to show a picture of my engine.  Now that Ron points it out, mine has the correct early head also, along with the large-head needle.  Maybe it is special Huh...
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Post  Jason_WI on Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:43 pm

Nice.

What does the back look like with the screws in?

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Re: The first Baby Bee??

Post  MauricioB on Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:30 pm

hello boys, a few years ago I bought this engine, I had the Glow Plug that I show in the tip clamp, it does not have the anchor for the tool key, I had to remove it with a leather belt because it is burned - unused.
Change the original tank by this one that you see in the photo that had it prepared with a perforation to take fuel from an exterior tank.
The engine works spectacular.
Is it the same engine?





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Post  crankbndr on Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:04 pm

Jason_WI wrote:Nice.

What does the back look like with the screws in?

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The screws are set in more and I thought I could tell they were flathead, but I bought it as a gamble, wasn't sure. I would think this setup is more airtight than the later.

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Post  crankbndr on Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:14 pm

I worked about 30 min on the glowhead in my Rube Goldberg head spinner. Some oil and 1000 wet or dry then 0000 steel wool got it nice and shiny, some would say too shiny.
I was able to straighten the bent fin by rolling another head into it, worked pretty good. Ive messed up trying to do this other ways.


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Post  crankbndr on Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:29 pm

Spun the tank the same way

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Post  crankbndr on Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:57 pm

Cleaned up and looking good. What makes this engine stand out to me is,
New cylinder for 1956
302A head that still has little fin on the electrode, the fin was gone quickly
Still has 4 piece piston
Backplate has conical flat head screws, they were changed quickly also. Looks to me like flat heads would have sealed air better than the later screws.
I think its the first version Baby Bee, a transitional engine for Cox.

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Post  NEW222 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:45 pm

Looks good. I am liking these shiny 'Bee' threads..... On another note, I see that you had spun the tank on a cordless drill. Do you nave an 'adapter' of sorts, or do you just chuck the protruding bits into the drills chuck? Just asking as my drill only grabs the small part where the venturi o-ring sits on. I am not too concerned as I do not put any real pressure on it when using my oil and sandpaper. Thanks.

Now after reading my last sentence, it looks like I wrote it like I have cleaned 100's of engines...... Very Happy
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Post  crankbndr on Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:43 pm

I chuck it like you said and treat it gently.
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Post  rsv1cox on Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:19 am

Great job on that engine CB.

I like the way you did the head, a dowel in the cylinder chucked up to a drill. I have been trying to figure a way to do that for months.

Nice find on that engine too. I have never seen case screws like those before. Something else for me to look for. Hitting the fleas this Spring and Summer.

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Post  getback on Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:43 am

Nice find Doug , she is a beauty now !! Babe Bee .049
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Re: The first Baby Bee??

Post  Mark Boesen on Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:08 pm

Nice find and great restore, greenie!
I like the idea of gently torquing the cylinder down over a dowl, it's a lot faster than my long screw/rubber hose/ two washers/ tighten nut to expand, set up.

You can see the early 60's groove for the spring here:



To reproduce the factory machining marks use a slightly more course paper, emery boards also work nice.
 


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Post  NEW222 on Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:50 pm

Good idea with the emery boards. They're nice, small, and firm. I was just using sandpaper with oil. Next one I will go shopping in the ol' ladys beauty department.... Even though my goal is to get a Bee shining like it has never shone before, the emery boards would be good to glue other grits of paper to.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 pm

I've post this before, but in case somebody hadn't seen it, notice what a factory fresh Babe Bee should look like. This was pulled from a damaged early Super Cub 105 and spent the next fifty years in the box. Most Babe Bees the machining has worn down as the aluminum is pretty soft.


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Post  getback on Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:19 am

I see Mark , a good way to tell if its new or just shined up to look good ( witch is not all bad depending on the engines statics . Very Happy
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