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Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
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Re: Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
It's the real dill pickle fo shizzle, congratulations you have one at a mere 35 plus shipping!!
Original older versions back around (1983) had the zinc alloy plate and came with a red rubber
spinner. Your spinner has faded over the years but is a original build style. I had one back then
can't recall what happen to it, I think I took the top end off and used it on TD frame. The first
ones came with a simple spring starter.
Here is another for reference spinner design had changed in the end red aluminum spinners where sold:
Original older versions back around (1983) had the zinc alloy plate and came with a red rubber
spinner. Your spinner has faded over the years but is a original build style. I had one back then
can't recall what happen to it, I think I took the top end off and used it on TD frame. The first
ones came with a simple spring starter.
Here is another for reference spinner design had changed in the end red aluminum spinners where sold:
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Re: Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
Lol thanks 1/2A Nut! It looks like a pt-19 spinner, I know there was a smaller version of the rubber red spinners. The needle valve looks like an early big nob needle from an early bee. I'm happy though, I've always wanted a widow box!
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Re: Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
Ok great picture! It has the same thick wall #1 cylinder.
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Re: Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
Yes that can be swapped out will need to recover a spring for it but the rest looks good
considering it's a early generation frame.
considering it's a early generation frame.
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Re: Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
Yup got all the parts already lol...
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Re: Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
One I still have I purchased in 1970's, has same cylinder as yours Ron, but with a #2 stamped on the side of it, gold anodized crankcase, snap starter, black anodized tank and gold back. Some of the bluing is worn off from using an Ace R/C throttle sleeve some 40 years ago. Shining a light in the port it only has one bypass port.
Good possibility that what I have is a Golden Bee instead of a Black Widow, although I thought I bought a Black Widow. The gray matter gets fuzzy after 40 years.
Back then, I'd use the Cox wrench in the cylinder port, which sometimes would damage the cylinder with a burr. Then I'd go to a place selling parts like the hobby dealer or even Sears or Montgomery Ward.
It looks, it fits, it works. Being a sport flier and not a competition flier, I didn't pay much attention to parts. To me then, parts was parts.
This might explain how sometimes engines get fouled up, not intentionally, with exception of the Estes Neo-Cox era, stuff just happened.
Good possibility that what I have is a Golden Bee instead of a Black Widow, although I thought I bought a Black Widow. The gray matter gets fuzzy after 40 years.
Back then, I'd use the Cox wrench in the cylinder port, which sometimes would damage the cylinder with a burr. Then I'd go to a place selling parts like the hobby dealer or even Sears or Montgomery Ward.
It looks, it fits, it works. Being a sport flier and not a competition flier, I didn't pay much attention to parts. To me then, parts was parts.
This might explain how sometimes engines get fouled up, not intentionally, with exception of the Estes Neo-Cox era, stuff just happened.
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Re: Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
Does look like my B/W is a Golden Bee instead. Was a college student then, Golden Bee was cheaper so I must have opted for it instead. From http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/cox_bees.htm
Just out of curiosity, I pulled the heads of a half dozen .049 Bee's I have, and to my amazement, I have a hodge podge.
1 - Babe Bee, older with thick needle valve head has single bypass thin wall cylinder with SPI.
1 - Babe Bee, newer with thinner needle valve head and cast back has dual bypass thin wall cylinder with SPI (but no #2).
1 - Babe Bee, newer with thinner needle valve head and cast back has dual bypass slit cylinder without SPI. (Think this is my worn out cylinder from my R/C Bee, cylinder sides are without bluing for throttle muffler sleeve).
1 - 190 postage stamp has single bypass thin wall cylinder.
Black Widow box has 1992 instruction set. I thought this was the one I got in the 1970's, but no, I think I got it with the later model B/W in a Sterling Beginner's Fokker DVII a friend gave me.
2 - later Cox 190's with horseshoe back, one black, one white has dual bypass non-SPI slit cylinders.
Hmmm ..... Just to think that in the 1990's, I flew that "Golden Bee" at 6,500 ft. (1981 m.) elevation and it could haul my Lee Renaud's Q-Tee decently. Just think how much more fun I would have had it was a B/W.
I could pull the dual bypass cylinder piston set off the Babe Bee, take the Tee Dee knurled ring head and make my Golden Bee a Black Widow.
Just out of curiosity, I pulled the heads of a half dozen .049 Bee's I have, and to my amazement, I have a hodge podge.
1 - Babe Bee, older with thick needle valve head has single bypass thin wall cylinder with SPI.
1 - Babe Bee, newer with thinner needle valve head and cast back has dual bypass thin wall cylinder with SPI (but no #2).
1 - Babe Bee, newer with thinner needle valve head and cast back has dual bypass slit cylinder without SPI. (Think this is my worn out cylinder from my R/C Bee, cylinder sides are without bluing for throttle muffler sleeve).
1 - 190 postage stamp has single bypass thin wall cylinder.
Black Widow box has 1992 instruction set. I thought this was the one I got in the 1970's, but no, I think I got it with the later model B/W in a Sterling Beginner's Fokker DVII a friend gave me.
2 - later Cox 190's with horseshoe back, one black, one white has dual bypass non-SPI slit cylinders.
Hmmm ..... Just to think that in the 1990's, I flew that "Golden Bee" at 6,500 ft. (1981 m.) elevation and it could haul my Lee Renaud's Q-Tee decently. Just think how much more fun I would have had it was a B/W.
I could pull the dual bypass cylinder piston set off the Babe Bee, take the Tee Dee knurled ring head and make my Golden Bee a Black Widow.
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Re: Did I just get a fake Black Widow???
Much better.
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