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Post  rsv1cox Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:04 pm

or in this case my mail lady.  

Got both a care package from Charles and the box of Scientific Piper Cub parts.  

Charles sent me a couple of Cox closed end wrenches in response to a comment I made in a post here on the forum.  Not stopping there he included Cox cases a couple of engines and one of his highly detailed split cylinder Babe Bee engines.  Thanks Charles, all are greatly appreciated and will be put to good use.  The split cylinder engine will have a promenent place in my display case.  

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Post  Kim Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:29 pm

SCORE !!!!!
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Post  rsv1cox Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:41 pm

Right up front.

There are a few care packages from the Kimster in there too.

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Post  944_Jim Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:35 pm

I'm a sucker for Scientific...and jealous!

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Post  rsv1cox Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:14 pm

944_Jim wrote:I'm a sucker for Scientific...and jealous!

I guess that most of do, probably cut our modeling teeth on Scientific kits. I know I did.

But the stick built carcus that came with the box is not a Piper Cub. It's a low wing monoplane with a squared off horizontal stab. I tried to make it the ever-popular P-51, but it isn't. I'm not equipped to build a built-up wing for it, but I have this SIG airfoil that could be adapted. Way to heavy for a rubber band but a Cox .010 might do the job. Or not.

Anyone have an idea what it may be? 9 1/2" squared off long fuselage, 5" horizontal stab.

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Post  GallopingGhostler Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:14 pm

Elevator looked like it may belong to a Stinson tail dragger high wing cabin. Regarding fuselage, could be anything, perhaps the start of a DeHavilland Chipmunk WW-2 low wing trainer? Rudder doesn't look like it belongs to either.

Back in 1965 or 66, I built Scientific's brother, the Cessna 180. Tail surfaces were sheet 1/16". These all were designed by Paul Del Gatto of aeromodeller fame of the era.

Outerzone does have one in the series:

http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=6046 Miss America II by Paul Del Gatto from Scientific, 1962, 20in span

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I downloaded it with hopes someday to build it. It was Paul's rendition of Joe Wagner's free flight design of the late 1940's. Since, it has been modelled in different sizes as F/F and R/C. Paul's was the first in rubber power.

Being an adolescent, I covered the 180 in tissue, then color doped it with Testor's Orange butyrate dope, which made it too heavy to decently fly. Now older, I know I should have not color doped, and simply finished the solid sheet balsa tail surfaces in clear dope. But, it looked sharp enough to make its presence in my bedroom.
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Post  Mike1484 Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:50 pm

Hi Bob,

The little airframe that you have looks like a Miles M-18 . Peck Polymers made a peanut scale model kit of this plane. Maybe someone has a set of plans for it. Just my guess...
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Post  cstatman Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:14 am

wow mike. i mean WOW

looking at that carcass, and seeing the Miles is brilliant
https://www.wind-it-up.com/products/peanut-scale-miles-m-18

photo of bigger plans show the squared off stab, sure looks familiiar
https://thegeebee.com/product/miles-m18-24in-wingspan/
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Post  GallopingGhostler Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:20 pm

I think Mike is onto something. As you point Charles, the possibility of it being the M-18 could be. Scaling based on Bob's photo of the fuselage overlaid the Cub's fuselage elevation on the plan shows it is just a touch shorter than the Cub, so it would not be the P-Nut scale of 12 - 13 inches. The fuselage laid against Bob's 1/4"x3"x36" shaped airfoil sheet balsa seems to substantiate the larger size. My guess is that the intended model probably had a 16 to 18 inch wingspan.

Charle's other link to the larger one would most likely be closer.

One think I did notice is that Miles did have other designs of the time, which used the rectangular elevator, so it could be other than the M-18.

It wouldn't be hard to convert the bones to a sport model, add upper formers to round the top off, then have a stand-off scale model of choosing.
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Post  Boats13 Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:19 pm

Maybe? It's an Embryo... so might be bigger... but, certainly similar.

https://www.wind-it-up.com/collections/sport-model-kits/products/pp-47?variant=29348762681408

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Post  rsv1cox Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:12 pm

Thanks everyone. The Miles -18 looks close, the clipped off horizontal tips are the biggest indicator. 14" fuselage too, gives me enough reason to make an 18" wing for it.
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Post  GallopingGhostler Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:23 pm

Speaking of Miles aircraft, a little off-topic but still within the intent of discussion. I could not help but notice that this early profile is as cute as a bug. Wink

It is the Miles Magister tri-rudder low wing monoplane in half-A C/L profile by the infamous Ray Malstrom, whom the British Aeromodeller magazine published a good number of his designs.

https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=7616 Miles Messenger by Ray Malmstrom 18in span

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Tony's photo shows his creation with of all things, unmistakably a venerable Testors .049 Rotomatic mounted inverted with separate tank as its power.

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Post  rsv1cox Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:37 pm

I love that picture George, and just strange enough of a design for me to bookmark it. Flaired fuselage decends into a profile with a triple fin tail, plus a SIG airfoil would fit well. Plans are so involved that it makes it a challenge to build. What I lack is space, I can't find a suitable spot to put the Beech Staggerwing without it intruding into the main house. I need about ten of you guys to show up. I have about 40 or 50 flyable model planes to reduce back to kit form. About an afternoon would do it.

Or.....................Mark and my grandson.........and me. Two circles and balsa splinters. Smile
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Post  GallopingGhostler Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:06 pm

Bob, the plans seem involved until one realizes that the magazine that featured the plane was limited in space, so the superimposed all parts to fit. But, if one were to make several copies, could carefully highlight fuselage, then wing, then tail surfaces, etc.

The plane is a simple one. In fact, one could simplify further for a successful model and go with Bernie's engine mount:

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Then, any .049 Cox tank or horseshoe back engine, or OK Cub .049 B-Model tank engine could fit. Only difference now is he is having them made in black plastic instead of white or flesh colored.
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Post  rsv1cox Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:03 am

I see that now George. Printed it out this time. Might take it to Staples and have them enlarge it to size. Having enough left-over balsa I'm serious about building it.

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